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w2vc
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Message 61 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

 


@grimper wrote:

 

My (pessimistic) bet is that Lenovo is soon going to offer new generation, premium priced ssds which should all include trim support (unless Lenovo explicitly removes the default trim support of the ssd manufacturers). Instead of offering a firmware update with trim support for the "old" ssds they will suggest customers to purchase the new ones  :-(


 

UNFORTUNATELY, grimper's pessimistic "bet" has JUST been proved to be RIGHT!!! Lenovo is offering from TODAY the option of Intel X18-m 160GB JUST FOR 80$ more than the Samsung SSD..... Smiley Mad

 

I am really disappointed from the fact that my 1 month old t410s NOW it is offered with the NEW i5 560m, the NEW Nvidia Optimus and the NEW Intel x18-m! If I knew that just after one month I would have these options, OBVIOUSLY I would wait to buy a t410s with these options. Smiley Sad

 

So as you can understand.... WE SHOULD STOP WAITING FOR TRIM! Now that Intel SSD is an option.... Lenovo won't take care about the "small group" of customers who want trim to their Samsung SSD.

 

 


@jPad wrote:

 


Anyway, does anyone knows anyway to perform trim (even manually) to our Samsung SSD? Please don't suggest me the "secure erase from BIOS" method... this is just the most stupid method....

 

I will have to disagree with your statement that the secure erase method is stupid. I just use the "secure erase from BIOS" method to restore the performance of my 128GB Samsung SSD from a 5.9 WEI hard disk rating back to a 6.9 WEI hard disk rating. Are you aware that the even if an SSD firmware update is available it will also perform a secure erase before updating the firmware?

 

TRIM is way over-rated and most likely you won't notice any performance improvement with an trim firmware update.

On my Thinkpad T510 the trimless 128GB Samung SSD feels faster and boots faster than the trim-enabled 256GB Crucial RealSSD. If I had know about the "secure erase BIOS method" before I won't have wasted money upgrading to a trim-enabled SSD and then only to be dissapointed by the performance.

 

 


 

jPad I didn't said that "secure erase" doens't work. I just said that it is the most stupid solution. I don't have time to waste it for doing every while "secure erase".

Could you please tell us how much time do you need to perform system backup, secure erase and then system restore?

 

Anyway, have anyone tried to do the over-provision trick? Please, check here (post 22):

http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/507252-lenovo-128gb-ssd-worth-3.html

 

It seems that over-provisioning does the job (of course you will have to lose some space, but for me this is OK).

If anyone has tested this method, please share your experiences.

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Message 62 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

 

I just confirmed that Trim can in fact be enabled on these drives.

I have Lenovo 128gig Samsung SSD  VBM1EL1Q

 

go here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware/444979-alienware-owners-samsung-pm800-ssd-trim-now-availab...

 

Get the .rar that "contains everthing we need to enable trim" uncompress and put it on a bootable usb.

 

Backup your drive, everything must be erased.  Use a partition backup routine so you can just restore it.  (I used Windows 7 backup)

 

Go into bios and change your SATA setting from "AHCI" to "compatible".  Remove the SSD.  Boot from your USB. (Hit F12 on startup, select to boot from USB drive)

 

***  One additional step to verify, optional, but would recommend it...  

Boot to your USB drive with the SSD still plugged in.  Run maindiag.exe to verify that it sees your SSD in this configuration.  It will populate the make/serial/firmware fields with the Lenovo info, just reassuring you that it is seeing the correct drive and setup correctly to flash.  Then shut down, pull the SSD out and continue below.  Do not try to flash it with the model/serial/firmware numbers showing, see note below *****

 

When you get the C:\ prompt, insert your SSD drive into you laptop (hot plug it in).  <-- Important, if you boot with the SSD in, maindiag.exe will detect it as Lenovo and will only half flash it, don't go there, recoverable but ugly.  If you hotplug it in after boot to c:\ , maindiag.exe will not display the drive version numbers (lines will have no values) just run flash sequence below and it will work and report successful.  If you want to verify the drive it is seeing, do the optional step above.

 

Run maindiag.exe select number 2, then number 1, then number 4.  <--Important that you do all three steps, in this order.

 

You will see a "Success" message after each step.

 

Reinsert hard drive, reboot, change bios setting back to ahci, reboot, restore image from backup from whatever boot media you created during backup process.  (Again, I used Windows Backup and Windows 7 Installer -->  choose recovery and selected my backup file.)

 

Run Crystal Disk info to reveal you have now enabled TRIM,(AAM) Acoustics Management, (NCQ)Native Command Queuing.

Windows experience went from 5.9 to 7.2 and your firmware is now VBM19C1Q

 

Yeah!  

 

Blue_Frog

 

 

 

 

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Message 63 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

Are there any drawbacks to using the Samsung firmware? 

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Message 64 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

I don't see any drawbacks.

 

The only thing I can think of is that if Lenovo does ever issue an update, it may not flash as the firmware version is not what they are expecting.  Or if you have to replace it under warranty or something....

 

But with TRIM, NCQ, and AAM all now active, I don't see a need to firmware flash it for anything else.

-Blue Frog

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Message 65 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

What kind of boot disk did you use?

 

The .doc file mentions USB_TOOL_SETUP_1_1.exe. Where do I get that?

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Message 66 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

I used Ultra ISO to make my bootable kye, but I use this tool a lot too. This is a good one to keep on hand....

http://www.lowfps.com/creating-a-bootable-usb-thumb-drive or this one http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?swItem=MTX-UNITY-I23839&lan...

-Blue_Frog
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Message 67 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

Alright. I’m gonna go by your instructions and give it a shot on some of the next weekends. Let’s hope you didn't forget something crucial.

 

Can you give me your model too? I have the 0VB variant.

 

Model: [SAMSUNG MMCRE28G8MXP-0VBL1]
Firmware: [VBM1EL1Q]

 

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Message 68 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

My drive is:

SAMSUNG MMCRE28G8MXP-0VBL1

It was VBM1EL1Q and is now VBM19C1Q

 

-Blue Frog

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Message 69 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

Posted my CrystalDisk Info screenshot after updating the firmware to TRIM.  Couple posts above.

-Blue Frog

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Message 70 of 268

Re: TRIM firmware for the 128 GB Samsung SSD??

On that occasion, could you make your screenshot a little higher so I can see the full list of SMART attributes?

 

On Linux they don’t have a complete list and your list could help to write a patch

 

 

ID# Name                        Value Worst Thres Pretty      Raw            Type    Updates Good Good/Past
  9 power-on-hours               99    99     0   5.3 months  0xfc0e00000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
 12 power-cycle-count            99    99     0   600         0x580200000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
175 attribute-175               100   100    10   n/a         0x000000000000 old-age online  yes  yes 
176 attribute-176               100   100    10   n/a         0x000000000000 old-age online  yes  yes 
177 attribute-177                99    99    17   n/a         0x1d0000000000 prefail online  yes  yes 
178 attribute-178                67    67    10   n/a         0x140000000000 prefail online  yes  yes 
179 attribute-179                98    98    10   n/a         0x430000000000 prefail online  yes  yes 
180 attribute-180                98    98    10   n/a         0xbd0e00000000 prefail online  yes  yes 
181 attribute-181               100   100    10   n/a         0x000000000000 old-age online  yes  yes 
182 attribute-182               100   100    10   n/a         0x000000000000 old-age online  yes  yes 
183 attribute-183               100   100    10   n/a         0x000000000000 prefail online  yes  yes 
187 reported-uncorrect          100   100     0   0 sectors   0x000000000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
195 hardware-ecc-recovered      200   200     0   0           0x000000000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
198 offline-uncorrectable       100   100     0   0 sectors   0x000000000000 old-age offline n/a  n/a 
199 udma-crc-error-count        253   253     0   0           0x000000000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
233 power-on-seconds-2          199   199     0   n/a         0x97a307000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
234 uncorrectable-ecc-count     100   100     0   0 sectors   0x000000000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
235 good-block-rate             100   100     0   n/a         0x000000000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
236 attribute-236                99    99     0   n/a         0x610000000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
237 attribute-237                99    99     0   n/a         0x510100000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 
238 attribute-238               100   100     0   n/a         0x000000000000 old-age online  n/a  n/a 

 

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