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First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-04, 21:53 PM
Hi was looking for reviews about the Penryn in Lenovo T61p but I didn't find any one since the platform was released. My expectations were totally fulfilled. This platform really rocks!!
 
I have a Lenovo T61, 14.1" Widescreen, processor T7300, 3 useful Gigs in RAM, Intel Turbo memory and a 160  HD with  5k400 (to avoid waste more energy but looks like is almost identical to 7k200)  with Vista Ultimate and takes 2 minutes to finalize all the operations with about 83 active process (after a routinary process to refresh the Intel Turbo memory that is stabilized to around 5 to 8 standards start ups and disabling Sidebar, scan and images services, table input services, windows search and diskepper services). With only 3 months with such results and configurations I  was asked how bad will be Window Vista and let me say that It generate a heavy load to my computer. So, my options were downgrade to Windows XP or buy a more powerful computer. In Windows world, the infamous WEI (Windows Experience Index) get me a global 4.1 score because the NVidia Quadro NVS a 128 was not more poweful to handle the Aero's graphical interface (that means that such interface is not yet optimized because is more heavy than the games graphics, does mean to everyone?.  The T7300's WEI score is:
Processor:          4.9
Memory:              4.8
Aero:                    4.1
Gaming graphs:  4.7
Hard disk:            4.8
 
Ok, now our business with the new platform, I had the opportunity to get the newst version of intel core Duo 2 in a mobil version of Penryn with all the advantages of the T61P and 15.4" widescreen with 1900 x 1200 resolution.
The results were totally different. The first load was with only 1 Gib of Ram (because I had 4 gig of RAM already from my "older" T61), take to the system 1 minute for all loading all the process that I had disable in the first computer. Every navigational process over Windows was smooth and fast. Once I upgrade the memory to 4 gigs (only 3 useful by my 32 operating system version), the result was incredible better (obviously also were improved the harddisk to 7k200, 2.5 Ghz intead 2.0 Ghz of the T7300 and the double of capacity in the Nvidia Quadro FX 570 graphics card), but for only $500 more of the price of the older T7300 was a deal in results. Now the results in the WEI score appears the following numbers:
 
Processor:          5.4
Memory:              5.0
Aero:                    5.5
Gaming graphs:  5.9
Hard disk:            5.3
It's only numbers but the general performance was boosted with this configuration, and why I'm using WEI score instead another benchmark units, it's simple, because this is the standard tool that comes with our enemy (Windows Vista) and are the results that you can see in your normal life using Windows, Office and another "standard" tools. After the first startup, all the components of the Office Vista open in less than 2 secs.  Will be the speed, the enhanced 6mb of L2 cache, but a true is that the results are really evident and clear, finally the platform it's ready to run Windows vista in a smooth way. Now you can imagine how it'll works with windows Vista or Linux OS??
 
It's was an overview from a standpoint of a normal user, no more deeper or technical detail that que basics.
 
I hope this will be useful for those that are sad because feel that their computers are slow, and believe that the battle was lost vs Vista... the new option is here!!
 
For roadwarriors, no options... Only the best!
*W520 Corei7, Win Pro 64 , 16 GB RAM, SSD 128 Gb, 500 Gb 2nd HDD, FHD, 2GB VRAM Nvidia
*T61p 6459CTO T9300 2.5 GHz /Vista Ultimate 32bits, 4 GB KINGSTON RAM, 15.4" WUXGA w/Intel Turbo memory, NVIDIA Quadro FX 256 RAM
160 gb HD, 9 cell battery
*LENOVO T61 7662CTO T7300 2.0 GHz /Vista Ultimate 32bits, 3 GB KINGSTON RAM, 14.1" WXGA w/Intel Turbo memory, NVIDIA Quadro NVS 128 RAM,
160 gb HD, 7 cell battery
*Thinkpad T42 Pentium M 735 1.7 Ghz, 1GB RAM /Win XP SP2,ATI RADEON 7500 32 Mb, 15", WiFi,Bluetooth, 40 Gb HD
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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-06, 21:42 PM
these are my results under vista ultimate x64:

processor (C2D T7700 2.4GHz):                             5.3
memory (2x 2GB crucial DDR2-667):                      4.8
graphics (nVidia quadro FX 570M 256MB):              5.9
gaming graphics (nVidia quadro FX 570M 256MB):  5.5
primary hard disk (hitachi 200GB 7K200):               5.4


i'm not sure why your 'aero' and 'gaming graphics' results are transposed compared to mine.   are you sure your results are correct?

ThinkStation P700      ThinkPad X1C7

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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-07, 6:06 AM
Hi, here is my score:
OS: Vista 64 bit
processor (C2D T7500 2.2GHz):                             5.1
memory (2x 2GB Kingston DDR2-667):                      4.8
graphics (nVidia quadro FX 570M 256MB):              5.9
gaming graphics (nVidia quadro FX 570M 256MB):  5.5
primary hard disk (hitachi 100GB 7K200):               5.5

 
I am wondering what rams are you using? (score 5.0). And my gaming graphics is 5.5 as well.
 


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03-07-2008

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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-07, 6:56 AM
I need to ask.  You have the same configuration as the T61p I just ordered.  There are a lot of people complaining about graphics intensive apps causing errors.  Additionally, many people complain about Vista.  Have you looked at these threads?  Do you have these issues?  Do you work with anything graphics intensive? Games? CAD software?
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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-07, 18:50 PM
Actually, I am using it for gaming and CAD both. There's no problem for me at all. I think the problems come from Vista 32bit or XP 32bit. The Vista Ultimate edition 64 bit I am using have no problem at all.
Vista 64 bit is very stable than 32 bit with no doubt and it support most new hardwares especial the video card and memory.  As for the softwares, most softwares are compatible with 64 bit except for those old school softwares. So far there's not a single problem for me. 
By the way, 4 GB ram is highly recommend for Vista 64 bit~~.
 
 
 
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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-07, 20:27 PM
Thanks for the update.  I'm glad to hear someone here has it and DOESN'T have problems.  This will at least get me to open my box when it arrives.  I will look into the best ways of quickly testing this system for the problems that other people are presenting.  I'll update after some testing.  Also, I do plan on adding 4GB of corsair Ram to feed the memory hungry Vista.
 
By the way, how long have you had your computer?  Are you sure you're won't have issues with Vista crashing but havne't seen them yet?  Just curious.
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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-07, 22:59 PM
I got it for a week now. I installed the Vista 64 bit, all the drivers, all my software last weekend and run all the tests I could. I use it for 3Dmax, CAD and palyed COD4, Need for speed 11 with no problems. I run the laptop 10 hours a day and haven't got a crash yet. Don't know it will crash later, but so far so good. 
 
One thing I forgot is that I didn't order the Turbo memory, it may be one of the reason I don't have problem. Good luck with yours and don't be scared of Vista~~. :smileyhappy:
 
 
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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-07, 23:13 PM
Thanks for the piece of mind!  Well, if I have problems, Turbo may be the first thing to go.   Otherwise, as long as it works it was'nt a bad deal!  Thanks for the updates.  I wonder if the T9300 is helping in anyway?  By the way, so are you saying you clean installed it with your own copy of Vista 64 (ultimate? i have business) and not with what Lenovo provided?  I thought there was an issue w/ the drivers on the graphics.  I guess to be detailed, are you one of the people who went with the 8600 drivers instead of the 570?
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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-08, 4:32 AM
Hi, I used my own Vista 64 bit installation disc cause I ordered Vista home basic 32bit. Here is the steps for clean install (without Turbo memory):
 
1. Install you own Vista (you don't need to backup the original, Lenovo Thinkpad has the backup)
2. Install your firewall if you have one;
3. Plug in internet cable and download "automatic system update from Lenovo- system update   
    3.13" (here is the link: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/TVSU-UPDATE.html#hp) and    install it. (The system update software can download all the drivers for you)
4. Before run the System update, adjust internet setting (internet option-->connection-->Lan setup-->disable automatic search (the first one)), otherwise the software'll be interrupted in the middle.
5. Run system update and download the drivers and softwares you need.
6. Download and install Video card driver: Either FM570 from Lenovo or 8600GT.  (I just installed FM570 from Lenovo website cause I am using it for CAD as well)
Then........................
 
Tips for speed up the Vista (dramaticly~~!):
Control Panel-->System-->Advance system setup-->Advance-->Performence
-->>Advance-->virtual memory (change)-->Choose no page files
The reason for this is that HD almost does the most hard work in the latop and virtual memory will increase the most work load for it. Since we have 4GB ram, we don't need virtual memory and relase HD's load.
 
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Re: First glance for the new T9300 platform - T61p with Penryn processor

2008-03-12, 18:38 PM
Well, I received the laptop Monday and have been loading it up w/ the software I want.  I did NOT uninstall any Thinkpad software yet, though the password manager is getting to me.  So far, smooth sailing on Vista 64 business.  3DMark06 (free version) did NOT crash my graphics card, I'm happy to report.  Results were similar to those reported on notebookcheck.com.  I ran some HD video on my laptop and its also fine (well, I didn't run it for extended periods, just 20 minutes).  I'll post the results later, but I believe I got the same results as Honvon for Vista 64 bit performance.  No crashes reported yet.  Going to give Office a try later tonight. 
 
As a warning to anyone still considering this machine:  I called lenovo and asked about their return policy.  they were very explicit that ANY MACHINE CUSTOM-CONFIGURED ONLINE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE RETURNED W/OUT A 15% RESTOCKING FEE.  UNLESS TECHNICAL SUPPORT CREATES A TICKET SAYING THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT IS LENOVO'S FAULT.  Wow.  Even unopened I asked?  "Yes" they replied.  Wow.  Not that I'm complaining that my machine hasn't failed so far, but if it does, I hope IT is nicer than their sales guys.  They're nice until you actually want something from them.  Like many others have said, with long wait times, relatively rude customer service, why buy direct with this type of policy? 
 
Config:
 
T9300
FX570M
4GB Corsair ValueSelect DDR2 RAM
7k200 100 GB Hard drive
Integrated bluetooth and IntelPro ABGN wireless
TurboMemory 1GB (have NOT run off battery to date)
Using a mini-dock and 2 external 22" widescreen monitors (the whole reason for getting the docking station)
DVD-RW
9-cell battery
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