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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-01-11, 15:45 PM

The I'm going to test that today.

 

EDIT:

The problem remains unsolved with the newest BIOS (2.19) on X61s. There is acctually no change from the prior version. The speed on XP is more-less okay (about 45MB/s, could've been better). But the transfer is still highly unstable - the system hangs after a few seconds of constant/burst operation (eg. copying a large file to or from an external HDD). A strange message appears on Windows XP shortly before the system halts, saying that "USB Device Not Recognized" and shows a "Unknown USB Device on the 4th USB port. I have no idea what CardBus has to do with the USB ports, but it may suggest some sort of a conflict between the USB and the CardBus port.

 

Still waiting for a proper fix!

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Installing the BIOS 1.2.2 on my X61T did not solve the performance problem.

2009-02-03, 7:40 AM
Installing the BIOS 1.2.2 released Jan 8, 2009 on my X61T did not solve the performance problem.
Does anyone know a solution?

Very slow eSATA Performance on PCMCIA controllers of Thinkpads with RICOH controllers is a known problem:
http://2xod.com/articles/eSATA%20Perfor ... ntrollers/
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=59504

HDTUNE measures 13.5MB/Sec with my disk vs. >80MB/Sec with the same disk connected to the eSATA port of my desktop

The new BIOS 1.2.2. claims to have solved the eSATA performance problem:
"(Fix) The computer with RICOH CardBus Controller has slow data transfer performance."

Test configuration:
X61T
TYPE 7762-95G s/N L3-A1676 07/08
Bios 1.2.2
Vista 32Bit
Sil 3512 driver 19.8.08, 1.3.71.1

Same problem with Win7 beta.

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X61T Vista x64, 1400x1050, 4GB RAM, 1GB Turbo Memory, Intel X25-M SSD
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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-02-25, 17:55 PM

I'm using a T61p and I'm having the same issues over a ESATA cardbus card using that same silicon imaging chipset. I updated my BIOS to 2.25 and have noticed no improvement at all. Curiously, it seems that the seek times over ESATA are much faster than USB, the read speed over ESATA is around 12MB/s, while the write speed tops out around 25MB/s. The drive also disappears from my computer if it idles for a long time while my screensaver is up.When I return to my machine I find the status LED on the ESATA card solid green while my external drive's LEDs show no activity.

 

I have yet to test the card on another laptop, which I will most likely do this evening or in the next few days, but this problem is a pretty big downer considering how happy I've been with my ThinkPad until now. Not exactly a deal breaker, but I wish I would have known about this and gotten my T61p with the express card slot, or at least not purchased a practically useless ESATA card.

 

Is there at least any development being done on a fix for this for the T61p? Even a fix that did nothing to transfer speeds  but kept the drive from disappearing when I'm away from my machine would be greatly appriciated.

 

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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-02-26, 9:43 AM

I have a T61p, Vista Ultimate SP1(32-bit),  latest BIOS 2.25-1.08 and still have Cardbus performance problems.

My old T22 (Texas Cardbus controller) is considerably faster.

 

Connecting an external 2.5" Samsung 250GB SATA hard drive in an IcyBox case with eSATA and USB connections gives the following results (from HDTune) for eSATA to Cardbus  and USB2 to Cardbus  adapters.

 

eSATA to Cardbus (Sil 3512 Chipset)  T61p - 14MB/s    T22 - 45MB/s

USB2 to Cardbus (NEC Chipset)         T61p - 10MB/s    T22 - 20MB/s

 

The speed of the on-board USB2 ports depends on which ports are used and what is connected to the Mini-Dock (typically a mix of USB 1 and 2 devices) can be up to 25MB/s. I was hoping to improve the data transfer to the external hard disk by using the eSATA to Cardbus adapter.

 

This problem does not appear to have been solved by BIOS upgrades 2.19 or 2.25.

All drivers are up to date.

 

Why does Lenovo use the Microsoft drivers for the Ricoh chipset?

Dell appears use dedicated drivers (or are they the MS drivers in a Dell package?)

Message Edited by Chris_Kay on 03-10-2009 01:24 PM
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T22 (2648-8EG) 512MB RAM, Win XP SP3 (de)
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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-03-30, 9:07 AM

I have the same problem with my WD scopio black 320GB HDD in my Ultrabay adapter. HdTune gives 13-14 MB/s throughput, but today I found an interesting "workaround":

 

If I remove and reinsert the ultrabay adapter AFTER BOOT UP,  throughput jumps up to 70 MB/s! After reboot it goes back down to 14 but now at least I have a nonpersistent fast user experience :) I think this is some initialization issue (chipset / bios / driver / windows...) , but I'm still investigating...

 

Another interesting fact is that this 14MB/s boundary exists both with eSata adapter and with Ultrabay adapter too when AFAIK ultrabay uses some modified USB connection instead of an eSata interface.

 

 

 

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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-05-07, 7:49 AM
Any news on this?
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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-05-20, 4:33 AM

Using BIOS 2.25 (7LETC5WW)

I have the same problem on linux doing a raw disk copy using dd ----- get a blazing 14MBytes/sec

which is overnight for a disk backup.

 

Sad

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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-05-20, 12:48 PM

This is interesting, if slow transfers are occuring with Linux as well as Windows then this has to be a BIOS or Hardware problem.

 

Its looks like the BIOS settings controlling the Ricoh Controller are not correct or the Ricoh controller is simply not capable of higher speeds - I hope not!

 

I need a solution to this slow Cardbus eSATA problem ASAP!

 

Greetings from Munich,

 

Chris

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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-05-20, 17:28 PM

Kinda disheartened to see so many replies trickle in confirming the problem on their machines, and not so much as a peep about any potential fix, or admission that the chipset is simply not going to do the job for us ever.

 

On a related issue, I have a firewire audio interface (MOTU Ultralite) that has always had limited issues working through the Ricoh firewire chipset on the T61p. It has finally gotten to a point where it is impractical to even use that interface due to these issues, something that got arrgivated by recent updates to the drivers and software released by MOTU. I have known for a long time that the solution to my problem is to put down some money on a cardbus firewire card that uses a TI chipset. I would go out and do so today, except that these issues with the cardbus make me question if buying a firewire card would even help since the cardbus chipset isn't functioning properly either. 

 

I already wasted money buying a ESATA card for this laptop, and I'm concerned that a firewire card would be an even bigger waste of money. Can anyone offer any insight on this?

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Re: Is T61 e-SATA capable

2009-05-20, 17:40 PM

Hey Feuervogel - I have exactly the same problem with my firewire audio interface - Alesis iO|14. Getting dropouts using the integrated Ricoh firewire. I bought a Texas Instruments Firewire for PCMCIA - it's better, but still on occasion a dropout.

As to the PCMCIA it seams that it doesn't like any Silicon Image chipsets, and even more so in Windows (either Vista, XP or Windows 7).

I have just installed Ubuntu and it looks like that the same eSATA card is working okay (getting 70MB/s speeds and it's stable).

What's even funnier, I have tried installing a hacked OS X (that's the Apple's operating system) and using a hacked driver for PCMCIA an an edited (by me) driver for that eSATA card - it works flawlessly, totally stable and great.

So right now (after the BIOS updates) I would only question the stability of how T61/X61 BIOS handles PCMCIA. Why is this even more apparent in Windows - I don't have a clue.

 

Cheers,

NIXin

 

PS

I didn't try raw disk copy (dd) yet. Only the benchmarks that hdparm offers.

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