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Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-27, 2:33 AM
I currently have a T60p (with Flexview :smileyhappy:, but last weekend I was sitting on the couch with it on my lap working away and all of a sudden it started smoking and that nasty plastic/electronic burning smell filled the room :smileysurprised:/:smileysad:/:smileymad:! I immediately unplugged it and took the battery out; I was not sure what to do at that point. I booted it with no batttery in it and it booted fine, but the HD activity light now remains solid (lit). I tried putting the battery in one more time and it started smoking again, and I have not tried to put my existing battery (or any other battery) since then. The battery is a 9-cell battery that was a replacement for my original "recalled" battery (less than a year old). I'm not sure what to do with it at this point. I removed keyboard, palmrest, etc. and could not find any physical damage or burning, so maybe the smoke was coming from the battery? I don't know.  Either way it is a serious safety concern.

I should also note that the day this happened, the battery would not charge when plugged into ac.  Vista stated something like 'plugged In, Not Charging'.  I rarely use my notebook without AC power. I use a docking station at work and plug it in when I'm using it at home. When the issue occured, I was using it on battery at my relatives house because I wasn't near a convenient outlet. The battery was working fine, but it got down to 6% and still would not charge when plugged in.


Thanks in advance for your input.



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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-27, 3:35 AM
sounds like a shorted battery circuit board... your battery might be the culprit, get it looked at or you could get yourself an exploding battery...
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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-27, 14:06 PM
Appears like battery runaway -- or to be more precise thermal runaway. A problem with electrochemical devices is that, under some conditions, a battery runaway can occur. A runaway is a short between the electrode layers which causes the battery to heat up. The heat of the thermal runaway can cause additional damage to the battery, further reducing the impedance of the battery. The battery heats up exponentially till it smokes, catches fire or explodes.
 
We use to see this often in old NiCad batteries. But it could happen with Li-ion as well.
 
Immediately discard the battery or take it service centre for further investigation.
 
Towards abundant caution I would avoid keeping it near anything that might catch fire. So it goes out of the house. I am not trying to setup panic here, just caution the user.
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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-27, 14:53 PM
:smileysurprised:
 
Thanks for the info.  Should I contact Lenovo? Should I contact Mark from this forum?  He seems to be quite helpful in helping to resolve shipping issues and/or disputes.  Is there a service center near Detroit, MI where I can drop it off?
 
Does anyone have any ideas on the now "always on" HD activity light?  It's sounds like my system board is probably damaged now too.  :smileysad:
 
I'm Sorry for all the questions; I appreciate your guidance and input.


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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-27, 17:01 PM
I think you should just go to the Lenovo service.
 
Mark indeed is very helpful, but let us leave him to untangle the messy issues, which crop up every now and then. If many peeople report the issue that you have faced, it will get noticed any way.
 
Yours is pretty unique situation and should get addressed straight away.
 
Regarding other issue:
 
1. Can you boot into the system at all? If the system is not bootable and if the blue ThinkVantage button also does not respond, you should send the entire system to service. Just caution them if you any important data. If your hard disk is damaged, there is little anyone can do. However, cautioning service has saved my day on at least one occasion.
 
Best wishes.
 
 
 


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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-28, 16:40 PM
Thanks for your reply.  As I stated previously, my machine boots up fine without the battery (with the exception of the HD light remaining solid).  I have been using ThinkPads since the late 90's and also manage a computer department that currently has about 20 ThinkPads of various models "out in the field" (A20p all the way to T61p). I am quite familiar with ThinkPads and have repaired them, swapped parts out etc. for years. However, I have never had nor am I familiar with dealing with a power problem of this nature which is why I'm seeking advice on these forums.

The only reason I add this is to point out that I am not a "newbie" or "non-technical" type.

 
I've been on the phone with Lenovo much of this morning regarding this issue (and getting quite frustrated :smileymad: ). All I've gotten so far is basically "It's not under warranty so send it in and we'll fix it for somewhere between $175 and $575". On one hand they are right, but on the other hand this is a serious safety issue that should not occur regardless of whether it is in or out of warranty.  Look at safety issues with cars and other consumer products for example.
 
And just for the record, I would consider a battery blowing up in my lap a bit more messy than a delay in shipment, etc.  :smileywink:


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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-28, 17:58 PM
hum have you tried a different battery???
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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-28, 18:53 PM
No I haven't.  I had two recall batteries laying around for quite a while, but I just sent them back a couple of months ago.  I have 2 users with T60's, but I would feel pretty bad if I grabbed one of their batteries for testing and fried it on them.  Both of them travel frequently and are constantly in need of battery power. I figure I'll let Lenovo figure it out since I have to pretty much send it in regardless.
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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-29, 1:02 AM
that would be the best solution.... but take a picture of your laptops and inside components, because the Solectron people seemed to have a tendency of blaming problems on water spillage...
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Re: Surgeon General Warning to T60p: Smoking Is Bad For Your Health!

2008-04-29, 1:42 AM
Good idea.  Yes I've been reading the boards, and that does seem to be an unfortunate trend.  Thanks again for your input.
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