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02-18-2009

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-23, 23:52 PM

I normally have a battery in my Ultrabay, so a fix like that would be useful for me.

 

 

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08-29-2008

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-24, 0:19 AM

Well, even for users that do not have an Ultrabay battery but use the optical drive, I believe that such a fix (if it is doable) would be highly desirable (absent a full fix of course but that seems unlikely if the underlying chipset is unable to deliver on its promises).

 

I believe that the oprical drive is used very seldom after installing the operating system and necessary applications (e.g. Office), so it would not be a problem to enter the BIOS and enable the Ultrabay on those few occasions that one would need to switch from "high-performance SATA 3.0 Gb/s mode" to "Ultrabay enabled mode".

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05-31-2008

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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-02-24, 1:15 AM

OK, I am a X61t user, and I believe I have same mobo as T61 guys....

My laptop does not support SATAII either, and there is no ultrabay in X series, if so, why lenovo also capped the SATAII on X61/t series?

I only know I don't get what I paid for. $2000 laptop without SATAII configuration.  Even cheap Dell( sorry, i mean cheap price, not quality) can fully support SATAII.

Should all T61 and X61 users make a conclusion that Lenovo will not solve the problem? coz all users may ship their laptop to replace a new mobo which lenovo will pay a lot ?  

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02-07-2009

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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-02-24, 1:36 AM

I also have a x61t. I had it since June 2007. Back then with a regular hard disk, it wouldn't really matter, but it was nice to know it supports SATA2. But recently after upgrading with a intel SSD, I thought there was something wrong with my SSD getting different transfer rates from my desktop and other laptops. Later found out about the SATA1 speed cap, and that lead me to this forum.

 

I've been eyeballing this forum, I see more and more people complaining. The number of people complaining are only going to increase as the price of x25-m is getting lower (currently $358).

 

I tried calling tech support, at Georgia Atlanta, the tech didn't know anything as usual. I had to explain what SATA is. After 5 minutes of explaining from the basics of SATA1 & SATA2, he had to ask his senior technician, then told me that I'll just have to wait for a BIOS update. No date or any plan is determined and he didn't want to give the senior technician's name. I told the technician that I wanted to know what is causing the SATA1 limit since I'm into computer architecture in electrical & computer engineer. The hardware warranty / tech support guys don't know anything about this.

 

I hope we can get a BIOS fix for this.

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05-31-2008

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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-02-24, 2:22 AM
 At least the Tech didn't yell at you. I also called the tech back to Dec 2008, and the guy was yelling at me, and said he was the tech guy, so he basicly knew everything more than me. I asked him why my x61t didn't have SATAII performance, he made the comment saying he did not support third party hard drive question, and I needed to pay him if he helped me. Again, I asked him back that I was mentioning about the mobo hardware problem on SATAII performance, not my SSD harddrive, then he got mad because I was explaining the difference on transfer rate between SATAI and SATAII.  So I was really sad about tech support at Georgia Altanta.  I was requesting if he can help me route my call to Lenovo developing group at NC or talk to his supervisor, and he refused my request and said he was he tech guy, if he could not sovle the issue, no one else could.
 

I tried calling tech support, at Georgia Atlanta, the tech didn't know anything as usual. I had to explain what SATA is. After 5 minutes of explaining from the basics of SATA1 & SATA2, he had to ask his senior technician, then told me that I'll just have to wait for a BIOS update. No date or any plan is determined and he didn't want to give the senior technician's name. I told the technician that I wanted to know what is causing the SATA1 limit since I'm into computer architecture in electrical & computer engineer. The hardware warranty / tech support guys don't know anything about this.

 

 

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02-07-2009

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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-02-24, 2:36 AM

 I was requesting if he can help me route my call to Lenovo developing group at NC or talk to his supervisor, and he refused my request and said he was "the" tech guy, if he could not sovle the issue, no one else could.

 


That is hilarious. When I asked the technician how can I talk with an engineer, he said I'd have to talk with somebody in China that he doesn't even know. Then he was complaining why I am making this conversation in circles and circles. Well, if the technician had more knowledge. But that's another issue.

 

I'm fine with technicians having telemarketer-level-knowledge. I just hope our thinkpads can work in full SATA2 mode.

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05-31-2008

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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-02-24, 2:39 AM

I know there are only two research groups, one is in japan, another is in NC.

never heard there was a research group in China since I am a chinese.

 

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02-23-2009

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-24, 23:35 PM

@awlen2
Wow..235MB/s really sounds like SATAII. I benched my T61p with HDTach and h2benchw. Both gives read/write speeds around 110MB/s which is almost the half of the possibility. The burst speed is 123MB/s which clearly point to SATAI. I still waiting for response from my lenovo dealer if I can give the T61p back. If yes, I still dont know which model I should take. You tell me the T400 surly can go for SATAII, but did have the T series CAD GPU's? So far I know (please correct me if I'm wrong :smileywink: ) only the T and W series are available with quadro or FireGL GPU's. I need the notebook mostly for CAD and rendering apps. so really need this kind of GPU's. Still dont know if the W500 can go for SATAII in the main drive. Maybe someone who have a W500 here can help me in this question. I found a W500 review with some benches from the internal Hitachi drive. The read/write speeds like I expected from a HDD rotating drive, but the burst speed only show up 106MByte/s which is only SATAI. But maybe the HDD throttle the interface down and its still possible to go for SATAII. If someone is interested and its allowed here in the forum I can post the link.

 

Regards, Uwe

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02-23-2009

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-25, 5:04 AM
T61p_User, My Mom's T400 has a ATI 3450 & the Intel GMA, they are switchable. I have yet to see a T500 or the W series thinkpads. The X25 in the T400 has noticeable burst. Programs common to my T60p pop open on the T400. The difference is visible.
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02-25-2009

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-25, 14:19 PM

I'm Thinkpad owner for over decade along with my whole family. During I'm writing this on my T61p, 8 GB, 200 GB 7200, Intel X25-M 80 GB... my wife works on her X61 tablet. In the corner is old R50p etc. etc.

 

This is simply unacceptable, especially considering all "support" that angry people gets here - which is pure marketing fluff!

 

I'm not hardware geek, I need full SATA II support for running virtual machines or that's the whole point buying more expensive Intel X25 instead of other cheaper SSD brands.

 

If we do not get fix (either hardware replacement or software update) or at least if we do not get real explaination for constraints behind this very soon, I'm gonna consider good old Thinkpad dead and will definitely switch to other brands!

 

This is completely insane...

 

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