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02-18-2009

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-28, 1:50 AM

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With regard to what was written in the tabook, I think we have to read the entire document.  I've seen the passage which refers to the ICH8 chip and 3Gb/s specs, and there is also a passage further down in the storage section of the same document that notes 1.5Gb/s with the drives listed with the system.

 


 

Hi  Mark,

 

I want to make sure I understand the above paragraph. 

 

You admit that our controllers operate at half the specified speed, but that doesn't matter since our systems came bundled with slow hard drives.  Is that correct?

 

In that case, could you explain why the TABOOK lists 3Gb/s drives as compatible accesories for the T61?

 

And could you explain why the TABOOK lists the controller's speed incorrectly in the first place?

 

thanks very much,

 

  -Ryan

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-28, 15:00 PM
I have a T60p and I did not misread the specs. I call Lenovo to confirm that the T60p supported sata 2 speeds. The person who sold me my thinkpad also believed it supported sata 2 speeds, as he confirmed it. Wanna bet he was reading Tabook. I went to this length because when I read about sata 2 speeds they specifically mention solid state drives as having the potenial to outrun sata 1 speeds. It was an attempt to future proof one area of the laptop i was buying. Now I find out that only certain version of the intel ich7 supported sata 2 speeds. The sin here is not the limitatation but the failure to inform customers. They obviously listed the general spec of the ich7 and not the specs of the ich7 chip they actually used. The warrenty on my T60p expires in 2 months, I bought the intel x25 with the thought of extending the warrenty and thus pushing to the future the point when I would have to get a new notebook(The X25 is that fast). This is a serious stain on the rep of the thinkpad line,IMO.When I get ready to purchase the new notebook how much faith can I put in what Lenovo specs say their notebooks are capable of?
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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-28, 20:13 PM

Hi awlen2,

 

To avoid confusion, you may want to say "SATA 300", instead of "SATA 2."  SATA 2 includes many features other than speed.

 

However, the published spec for your T60p does mention "SATA 300" specifically:  http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/ltwbook.pdf

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05-31-2008

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2009-02-28, 21:30 PM

I think this is the end of story.

coz i cant see any additional information post from Lenovo  service tech.

well. i am just disappointed. 

I was proud that Lenovo can sell IBM thinkpad laptop with good quality and service, coz my first desktop( 10 years ago) was from Lenovo and i really like it. now, i think i was wrong.

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02-23-2009

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-02-28, 22:18 PM

I'm also very disappointed about this, because the T61p was one of the few business notebooks which have a 14", 4:3 none glare screen with OpenGL card inside. Actually all workstation notebooks have at least 15,4" (16:9) which is too unportable for me. Anyway I think the T61p will never go for SATA300 in future, so I have to look for a Montevino to get my X25 working. Fortunately for me I could give the T61p back and can choice a other one. This will be really a hard decision between Lenovo and D*** after this story.

 

Regards, Uwe

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2009-03-01, 0:25 AM

I fell D*** has improved quality recently. 

in my school, all the computer labs and teachers are  equipped with apple and dell, hardly see any thinkpad on campus.

I think my next new laptop will between T500 or XPS studio. 

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01-05-2009

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-01, 7:09 AM

something in that laptop is not working as it should.

either Marvel chip , or ICH8 .

in fact , Tabook lists 3Gb/s supported , but since the 'design decision' were made , for

some reason the system is NOT ABLE to  achieve it.

what's up with that ?

 

And somebody has put false information in the Tabook anyhow, knowingly . 

And thanks to you, unknown writer. I'm sure will meet at some happy trail one day! ;)

 

 

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-02, 6:45 AM

the "desision decision" is solid.

we cannot do anything on it unless lenovo wants to recall all T61 and X61/s/t

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-02, 11:01 AM

Well then, as anybody else still replies to this thread, I'll break my silence too ...

 

@Lenovo

 

If you somehow received the impression that this topic is slowly dying, you're wrong.

 

If you think the customers will bow, you're wrong.

 

Whatever you did to cut off 3.0GBit/s, be it a hardware or a Bios Design: This is unacceptable !

 

Simple choice

 

, if there's nothing new from your Moderators here within 1 week from now, then we take the comment from Mark as an official answer from Lenovo.

 

If this is the case, then you surely don't mind if *WE* get the word out. Right ?

 

Well I think of a nice artikle in a huge computer magazine.

 

The guys there are always interested in such a story of a big companys failure and misinformation of customers.

 

 

You had your chance.

 

Time's up.

 

You could have done better than that.

 

(Oh and by the way, if you accidentially choose to close this thread, well I have a backup ...)

 

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-02, 18:32 PM

Hanz, your post is too angry, I think its not a good way to express your mood.

 

Anyways, I personally contacted the lenovo tech guy in China, and I may bring my T60 and X61t to China and let that person to remove whatever chip lenovo put on my board.  At this moment, he is reading the entire thread to get an idea coz he didnt see any related posts@ thinkpad forum in China.

Not 100% sure if he can fix the issue, but I know he has the knowlegede to repair all Thinkpad mobos. 

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