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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-03-11, 2:18 AM

I am very sad, I hope Lenovo can update the BIOS,
I useT61, I have just purchased a high-speed SSD (Read: 245, Write: 180)

 

I am from China, so English not good, my Lenovo T61 is at the United States buy the website,

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-11, 15:57 PM
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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-14, 15:02 PM

wrote:

wrote:
 

With regard to what was written in the tabook, I think we have to read the entire document.  I've seen the passage which refers to the ICH8 chip and 3Gb/s specs, and there is also a passage further down in the storage section of the same document that notes 1.5Gb/s with the drives listed with the system.

 


 

Hi  Mark,

 

I want to make sure I understand the above paragraph. 

 

You admit that our controllers operate at half the specified speed, but that doesn't matter since our systems came bundled with slow hard drives.  Is that correct?

 

In that case, could you explain why the TABOOK lists 3Gb/s drives as compatible accesories for the T61?

 

And could you explain why the TABOOK lists the controller's speed incorrectly in the first place?

 

thanks very much,

 

  -Ryan


 

TABOOK is correct as usually 3Gb/s SATA II drives is backward compatible to 1.5Gb/s SATA I.

The problem here is the notebook itself does not support it. So you cannot get the max thruput even your device can operate at higher speed.

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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-14, 15:06 PM

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I have a T60p and I did not misread the specs. I call Lenovo to confirm that the T60p supported sata 2 speeds. The person who sold me my thinkpad also believed it supported sata 2 speeds, as he confirmed it. Wanna bet he was reading Tabook. I went to this length because when I read about sata 2 speeds they specifically mention solid state drives as having the potenial to outrun sata 1 speeds. It was an attempt to future proof one area of the laptop i was buying. Now I find out that only certain version of the intel ich7 supported sata 2 speeds. The sin here is not the limitatation but the failure to inform customers. They obviously listed the general spec of the ich7 and not the specs of the ich7 chip they actually used. The warrenty on my T60p expires in 2 months, I bought the intel x25 with the thought of extending the warrenty and thus pushing to the future the point when I would have to get a new notebook(The X25 is that fast). This is a serious stain on the rep of the thinkpad line,IMO.When I get ready to purchase the new notebook how much faith can I put in what Lenovo specs say their notebooks are capable of?
Message Edited by awlen2 on 02-28-2009 07:38 AM

 

The correct statement from lenovo should be "the notebook support SATA II at backward compatible SATA I speed" Most SATA II devices is capable to run with SATA I interface. What lenovo short change to their customer is a clipper SATA II capable chipset.
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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-14, 15:10 PM

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Hanz, your post is too angry, I think its not a good way to express your mood.

 

Anyways, I personally contacted the lenovo tech guy in China, and I may bring my T60 and X61t to China and let that person to remove whatever chip lenovo put on my board.  At this moment, he is reading the entire thread to get an idea coz he didnt see any related posts@ thinkpad forum in China.

Not 100% sure if he can fix the issue, but I know he has the knowlegede to repair all Thinkpad mobos. 


 

He must be sleeping as this same question is asked in some Thinkpad Chinese forum !
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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-18, 3:30 AM
Chan , did you get any results with removing "whatever Lenovo put in Ultrabay (i.e. SATA-PATA bridge) , or we will have to remove ICH8 to get T61 working as it should ?
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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-03-18, 10:47 AM

Oh the irony.

 

On the Lenovo Blogs, Matt Kohut (Competitive Analyst Lenovo WorldWide) posted the following blog on November 20, 2008: 

 

http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=173

 

"I obtained an Intel 80GB X18-M drive. Right away, the drive gets bonus points for having more capacity than the 64GB I was living with on the Samsung drive. The drive itself uses a newer SATA 300 interface which proved problematic for migration purposes on my T61. While it would show up and operate fine in an Ultrabay drive adapter once Windows was booted, my migration tool of choice, Acronis Migrate Easy, did not want to talk to it when it rebooted into its migration environment."

 

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"Technically adept readers are probably yelling at their screens saying that this isn’t a fair test. I’m clearly pulling a spark plug wire on a 5.0L Mercedes and then taking it to a drag race. For those that have no idea of what I’m talking about, my T61 has an older SATA 150 interface. The Intel drive is capable of newer SATA 300 speeds. In my T61, I’m not giving the drive enough bandwidth to truly give it a workout.

 

In order to give the drive a chance to show what it was capable of, I next installed it and the Samsung in turn as a second drive on my W700 and performed some testing again. In this case, my OS on that machine is Windows Vista 64 bit.

 

There’s no question that my T61 was keeping the drive from operating at its optimal speed. I saw small performance gains yet again. However, in my initial testing, the Samsung drive seemed to be performing better than the Intel drive, which did not make sense at all given Intel’s marketing claims and my own experience in my T61."

 

All this would just be funny to me if I did not happen to be stuck with a T61p that not only is crippled to 1.5 Gb/sec but also seems to be incompatible with OCZ Vertex SSDs (I am getting Error 2100 HDD initialization and Lenovo support has not been able to help me).

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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-03-18, 13:26 PM
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Re: t61 does not operate at SATA-II speeds?!

2009-03-19, 22:15 PM

Actually in T61 ultra bay. You have 2 type of interface and you can use both of them.

1. SATA interface - use the SATA ultra bay with SATA harddisk

2. IDE insterface - use with the original DVD writer and old IDE ultra bay (I am using this one from my old T42).

 

I guess the answer is clear by now that T61 and many IBM/Lenovo series do not really support full SATA II configuration even the chipset support it.

 

So try before buy. Specification on the web and those flyer is really misleading.

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Re: T61 Support SATA II ?

2009-03-20, 3:00 AM
I got both T61and X61 ,but they are not support SATA 3.0Gb/s .Now I am very disappoint about the product which from Laenovo company.
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