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T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-09, 16:45 PM
I am thinking we could pick up a 14.1 inch T61 (C2duo with 2 Gigs of RAM) without the nVidia dedicated video card to help increase battery usage time. We will have XP installed on the notebook. But, would it be wiser to go with the dedicated just in case Vista will run better in the future and out putting to a 2nd monitor might be an issue?

So, would it be wise to take the 30-60 minute hit in battery life and go with a dedicated video card?
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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-09, 18:26 PM
For people doing graphics or gaming, the nvidia card is a must.  If you are a business user that does only spreadsheets and email, the integrated card will be just fine.  I prefer to top out because from what I remember, the cost difference for the nvidia card was not that much, was it?

Anyway, for 30 minutes, I'd actually just spend some extra to get the ultrabay battery (i hardly use CD roms now anyway).  My T61 gets 3 hours with the ultrabay battery and the standard rear battery.
T61_Wide | Model No. 7662 - CTO
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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-09, 20:31 PM
I am leaning towards the dedicated as well. It's about $75 to get it. It's actaully not so much the cost but I thought I would get some battery life extension + run things a little cooler. But I think you may be right. For future Vista compatibility and 2nd monitor, I think I might just go with the dedicated and lose the 30-60 minutes of battery time.

Thanks.
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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-09, 22:23 PM
While the integrated graphics improves battery life somewhat, I've not seen any tests showing a 30-60min decrease with the 170m video chipset (maybe a full bore 570M with 256Mb of video memory but I'm not even sure it would be this high)?
 
Anyone got an measured data on battery life with the same load on the three video options?
Keith
Currently 2xT460, 4xT430, Ideapad K1, H520S,
Formerly 1x600E, 1xT40, 1xT41, 2xT42, 2xT61p, 1xT420




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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-09, 23:28 PM
The more I think about it, the more I am now leaning towards the integrated. I have used a dell with 2 Gigs of Ram running integrated and Vista works ok on it. The T61 has an option to come with the nVidia 128MB card.

Still undecided!!! Please help!
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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-10, 4:22 AM
If you are going to baby this machine, use it for a while, I still think it'd be totally worth it to get the discrete graphics card.  I don't know about you, but I hate the feeling later on that I "could have" upgraded but didn't take it.  In anycase, I use my machine for a lot of graphic design work so having the discrete cards is a great benefit.  In addition, should you ever want to use dual monitors, a discrete card will always offer slightly better performance for extremely high resolutions - 24" or more. 
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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-10, 5:29 AM
That is the struggle now. It's not about cost sinec it's only $75 but it's mostly funtionality. At the moment, I may not need a dedicated but in the future, maybe? What do we give up now (battery life) for future compatibility?
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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-10, 5:50 AM
Definitely, give yourself the space for flexibility.  And also, I don't think a discrete card makes that big of a difference in terms of power use.  Energy Star 4.0 compliant, the laptop on a whole still uses only like 14 watts of power or something.  If you are concerned about battery life, you can always go for the 6 cell standard battery with the additional 3 cell ultra bay battery - those would give you 6 hours.  You can get 9 hours if you use hte 9 cell standard battery... but that thing sticks out like a sore thumb unless you are using a letterbox version, where it sticks out only as much as the 6 cell on a widescreen model.  There are also programs out there that let you downclock the CPU if you needed - but I really don't think the impact from discreet graphics is 30 minutes..... that's kind of a lot. 
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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-10, 8:38 AM
Just located a PDF with the manufacturer's times on battery use:

https://shoplenovo.i2.com/ISS_Static/merchandising/US/PDFs/T61_Datasheet-USEN-00.pdf

Li-ion battery Battery Life
14.1 Inch Widescreen
4-cell, integrated discrete graphics; up to  3.7/2.5 hrs
6-cell, integrated discrete graphics; up to  5.7/3.8 hrs
7-cell; integrated discrete graphics; up to  6.5/4.4 hrs

Apparently, the Intel GMA X3100 GM965 (integrated card) got some very good reviews even under Vista (for an integrated card). It scored a very respectable 3.4 & 3.5 for Graphics & Gaming Graphics under Vista. This is equivalent to some middle of the line dedicated 128 MB cards that I have seen.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3708&review=ThinkPad+T61

Given the almost 2 hours (surprising) that I could potentially gain (normal li-ion, 6-cell), I will definitely go with the integrated video now.

Hope this info can help others in the future.

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Re: T61 with or without dedicated video card?

2008-05-10, 11:59 AM
The one downside of integrated GPU used in Lenovo Thinkpads, is that it don't support DVI-D on the Thinkpad docks. The integrated graphics card can be used to play new games, albeit at low setting... if  you want to play latest and greatest games, just buy a desktop with a good graphics card.
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