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12-10-2007

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Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-10, 4:38 AM
Is Lenovo ever going to bring back UXGA or WUXGA? How about IPS? I guess we could live without IPS if we really had to, but a lot of us consider UXGA to be an absolute minimum requirement for serious work. With the current forced migration to widescreen (which in most cases, could more aptly be called shortscreen), this means we really need WUXGA. The T series had these briefly, but they were quickly pulled with no explanation. I have a couple computers in our family that are getting rather aged and will need to be replaced soon. If there is no ThinkPad available that can meet minimum requirements, I'll have to go with another brand, which I really do not want to do.
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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-10, 9:22 AM
Jed, you can get a T61p with the WUXGA panel:

See page 45 for some model examples:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitute/psref/tabook.pdf


I dont think UXGA will be coming back ever, it will be difficult to get a 4:3 screen at all soon but at these high resolutions, there simply isn't enough demand for it to be worthwhile for manufacturers to make them consistantly (correct me if i'm mistaken but I dont think you can get them from any major laptop OEM now).

Blame the consumers, while a very vocal few of us love high resolutions, i've spent years arguing with people who hated anything other than XGA, with Vista now there is really not a lot of reasons not to have a high resolution as you can use DPI scaling but laptop cost being what it is these days, manufacturers will still have to offer the low res screens, which will be cheaper and therefore sell better so continue to get cheaper and drive the price/availability of the high resolution panels and continue the cycle.
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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-10, 12:48 PM
The "magic" of IPS/Flexview screens, in my opinion, was how easy they were on one's eyes, not only the high resolution they were offered with. For that reason alone, someone should consider offering them as an option...let alone the fact that not everyone likes widescreen displays.
 
But, honestly, I don't see these coming back...ever.
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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-13, 3:19 AM
i like having WUXGA on my T61p but do miss the IPS UXGA displays that i've used for the last 5+ years.   as far as i'm concerned, no one makes a great notebook display right now since none of them seem very accurate with color.   the new LED panels are nice and bright but they aren't as color-accurate as the old IDTech/BOE-Hydis IPS UXGA panels from "the old days".   even those panels (which are 6-bit) weren't as good as an external 8-bit display but for travel or on-site work IPS was tough to beat.

technology grows less expensive every day so i'm hopin that costs catch up with demand and we see a return of IPS or an equivalent or superior technology which helps improve our displays in terms of color accuracy, low power consumption, and backlight brightness.   consumer demand has been driving improvement in the HDTV market and it escapes me why this mindset hasn't trickled into the notebook market.   i'd easily pay $500 more for a killer on-board display simply because my line of work depends on it.   heck, i'd pay $1000 more for a 15.4" WUXGA IPS display with 8-bit color, 80+% gamut, 1000+:1 contrast, and 300+ cd/m^2 brightness so long as all of those requirements are met.   i seriously doubt i'm alone in this mindset.

if the next batch of T-series retains the same display technology (or lack thereof), i may go with a smaller thinkpad chassis for portability and continue to use an external display for all color-critical work.   i used to survive quite well on my thinkpads' IPS UXGA panels for design and photography work but now i don't have that option.   and, hauling around an external display for a client presentation or on-site photoshoot is not a viable alternative.

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11-28-2007

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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-15, 19:38 PM
Notebook display quality is going down every year. Since non-TN (IPS panels) are no longer available there is no choice. Current notebook TN panels are worse than panels in cheapest LCD monitors in every aspect (viewing angles, low contrast, excessive backlight bleeding ...). It is funny to see other parts of notebooks improving while display quality is somewhere ten years back now.
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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-17, 2:01 AM
I agree with you all.  I'd love to get an IPS display, but we simply can't get them.  Panel vendors don't want to make them -- at least in any commercially available quantity.
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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-20, 13:59 PM
Would it be the case of manufacturers not wanting to deal with the production of IPS, or Lenovo being unable to fit them in the current "cheaper than ever" scheme of things....?
 
I understand that Lenovo needs to compete and slash prices. However, the benchmark machines of yesterday (A31p, T60p) were not meant to be cheap and rightfully so. There are always people like Erik and myself who will pay top dollar for a monster laptop with the LCD that beats them all...I guess we're just outnumbered...and then some.
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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-21, 1:38 AM

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I agree with you all.  I'd love to get an IPS display, but we simply can't get them.  Panel vendors don't want to make them -- at least in any commercially available quantity.



BTW it seems as BoeHydis still offers AFFS 15" notebook LCD panels http://www.boehydis.com/eng/03_products/product_03.asp (misfolded in Tablet PC category, but still).

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11-27-2007

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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-23, 5:54 AM
IPS aside, why are thinkpad LCDs so much inferior to Sony VAIO (TZ for example) LCDs in terms of brightness, contrast, color accuracy and color richness?

Colors on the SXGA+ LCD (TMD) of my T61 looks washed out with a very strong blue tint. Bottom of the LCD shows unbelievable amount of backlight bleeding.

Even my 3.5 years old T42 SXGA+ LCD (IDTech) doesn't look that bad.

If it's cost cutting, could Lenovo provide an option for a better display? I am willing to pay $200 extra for a Sony VAIO LCD on a ThinkPad.


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Re: Why only low-res, low-quality displays?

2007-12-23, 12:08 PM

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If it's cost cutting, could Lenovo provide an option for a better display?

I don't think so. Cutting costs means to get the cheapest crap on the market which is the case of notebook displays. Lenovo marketing probably found that there is only small percentage of people who demands decent displays. They still could get IPS displays back or any better quality panels. It is matter of cost only.

Small example of it. Few years ago I got one of latest R51 with SXGA+ IPS display for a 1900 EUR. The next model, R52 had faster CPU, faster memory, faster and bigger HDD, better graphics ... but TN crap display. The price went down to a 1300 EUR. Basically for most of people, R52 had delivered "better" configuration for lower price. Only few of them got upset getting such horrible screen. That's the problem.
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