T61p exhibiting 1 long and 2 short beep and black screen [ Edited ]

[eecon]

Regarding the RoHS standards for solder ........ Just another example of well intended enviromental regulations or standards from non-technically trained bureaucrats, tree-huggers and politicians resulting in unexpected negative and costly consequences for the rest of us all.

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[lead_org Microsoft MVP Contributor]

i think similar problem caused the RROD on Xbox 360 and PS3's version of problem.

[eecon]

I do not doubt that about PS3 and Xbox 360 .... I am sure we could find endless more examples (throughout all of human history) where good intentions have lead to unintended negative consequences ....... just part of life in general, I suppose.

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[lead_org Microsoft MVP Contributor]

i think it is more of a case of the fact that they need to stick to RoHS, but at the same time need some lead free solder material that can easily be worked and melted (as this will cost less processing cost during parts assembly), and not enough testing before rolling out these methods by the contract manufacturer. So i guess having a long lead time can be important for fault and error finding, but at the same time first to market is also very important for profit margin. 

[eecon]

Yes ..... mfging and market timing are a delicate balancing act.

I'm just glad that Lenovo pulled thru this issue mostly unscathed (as did their competitors).

If it was not for the fact that I don't currently need anything faster or more reliable than my T61p units as quiet-running docked desktop replacements (with well over a year of Onsite warranty left on both) , I'd be salivating over the W520 series right now!

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[texudo]

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nambun:

May be, Lenovo is chinese company and my country is Vietnam. It is funny.

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Ha ha, looks like you are interested in politic :d, just fun.

I am not sure, but you do not have chance to repair your T61p.

Mark_Lenovo is working for Media team (as I know), he make a request to Region Contractor, and the next steps are processed by Region Contractor.

I already worked with Region Contractor (in Singapore) and she give me a "crazy" price: 600 USD to fix. ( already discounted from 1.100 USD). Many mails that have been sent and received, but at last, there is no good solutions to choice.

Lets autospy your T61p, and me, by myself, I will autospy my Thinkpad memory.

[Musashi_m]

I`m  next unhappy Lenovo T61p owner with beeps of death....

Lenovo service in Poland refused repairing. warranty ended 6 months ago.

Black statistics of very expensive equpment.

[omgreo]

Like you I also have a problem with my T61 and the NVS 140M where it doesn't show anything on the display. For anyone whose warranty is expired and don't want to pay the ridiculous price of a replacement motherboard, I suggest you bring it to your local lenovo repair center and ask a tech to repair it by reflowing the solder on the GPU. If it's anything like the xbox 360 RRoD that should fix the issue. It's an easy job for them apparently so it shouldn't cost too much.

[lead_org Microsoft MVP Contributor]

Reflowing wont work for this problem, most likely you would cause the bump material to flow and make connection with the other bump material, causing a short circuit.

I think the one year depot post warranty warranty is the cheapest way of fixing it (unless you can do it for free that is).

[omgreo]

As I understand it the one year post-warranty warranty is retro-active from the date the original warranty expired. For me that's already over a year so I would need a 2 year post-warranty to cover it. I can't even find how much that would cost since the Lenovo website doesn't seem to show prices, only the product # for the warranty.

By most accounts reflowing works as long as you do not move the motherboard after the solder has melted. However, it's not a permanent solution by any means. It's going to fail eventually but at least if it'll last me a bit until the Sandy Bridge laptops come down in price, that's good enough for me. Needless to say I am quite annoyed at nVidia and Lenovo for their handling of this problem.