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Re: Rolled back to 14393 successfully; no problems so far

2017-07-25, 21:52 PM

Is the battery life got worse? Do you feel hotter on the device when in use? Thank you for the update!

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Re: Rolled back to 14393 successfully; no problems so far

2017-07-26, 5:08 AM

 The  device does get warmer than it used to, but that started happening before I updated. I think it's because it's getting old. I haven't used it long enough to notice and difference in battery life.

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Answer to battery life question

2017-07-26, 14:41 PM

To answer your question: since rolling back to 14393, the battery life is the same as it's ever been; that is to say absolutely outstanding and superior to almost any other computer I've ever used. You'll likely never notice any measurable difference in battery life just based on the version of Windows that you're running anyway, to this or any other computer. The operating system's job is to get out of the way and let applications run while consuming as few resources as possible by itself.

 

Bottom line: If you're using a ThinkPad Tablet 2 and want the best possible Windows experience, I recommend running either Windows 8, 8.1, or 10 (build 14393 ["anniversary"]). Right now, there is still no known fix for the optical trackpoint intermittent scrolling bug in Windows 10 build 15063 ("Creator's").

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Re: Answer to battery life question

2017-07-28, 2:08 AM

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Bottom line: If you're using a ThinkPad Tablet 2 and want the best possible Windows experience, I recommend running either Windows 8, 8.1, or 10 (build 14393 ["anniversary"]). Right now, there is still no known fix for the optical trackpoint intermittent scrolling bug in Windows 10 build 15063 ("Creator's").


Ok, I don't know if this is helpful or not. Microsoft just announced that their Creator Update is ready for all devices. I didn't see a new push of upgrader on my Tablet 2, but here is the news: https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-says-that-the-creators-update-is-now-fully-available-to-all-windows-10-users

 

Notice that, there is this quote (good or bad?): 

Microsoft confirmed last week that some Windows 10 devices, with older Intel Atom 'Clover Trail' processors, will not be able to install the Creators Update. Those PCs will continue to be supported with security updates until 2023, but they will not be eligible to install any further feature updates to the OS.

 

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Re: Question about 15063 release

2017-07-28, 2:42 AM

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Bottom line: If you're using a ThinkPad Tablet 2 and want the best possible Windows experience, I recommend running either Windows 8, 8.1, or 10 (build 14393 ["anniversary"]). Right now, there is still no known fix for the optical trackpoint intermittent scrolling bug in Windows 10 build 15063 ("Creator's").


Ok, I don't know if this is helpful or not. Microsoft just announced that their Creator Update is ready for all devices. I didn't see a new push of upgrader on my Tablet 2, but here is the news: https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-says-that-the-creators-update-is-now-fully-available-to-all-windows-10-users

 


This is old news. 15063 ("Creator's update") has been finalized and locked in for months already. The issue is in Lenovo's court now - they must either update that buggy optical trackpoint software to work with this new build or users are just going to have to stay away from it if they want to retain the feature. It's not the computer's hardware that is the problem; it's this essential piece of poorly-written software that has to be functional in order for the scrolling on the keyboard attachment to work that is the problem.

 

Unfortunately, at this point, I don't think that Lenovo cares enough about this circa-2013 hardware (no other products made use of that keyboard accessory as far as I know) to issue such a tweak, so unless something magically changes back in the next release of Windows 10, there's a good possibility that build 14393 ("Anniversary") is the last version of Windows 10 that will be fully functional on the ThinkPad Tablet 2. The sooner everybody comes to grips with this fact, the sooner we can start spreading the "don't upgrade past 14393" word and saving other folks the headache.

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Re: Question about 15063 release

2017-07-28, 9:04 AM
I doubt that it's the trackpoint causing the update to be blocked. It's the CPU driver. The trackpoint is a separate issue that many people don't care about because the working capacitive trackpoint was a pain in the butt anyway.
Lenovo and Intel probably won't update the GMA driver. But who knows, Microsoft blocked clover trails on the first version of Windows 10 and later released a GMA driver (not Intel or Lenovo). Maybe they'll do it again someday. But with this fluent design stuff coming I doubt it.
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Response to Followup Question about 15063 release

2017-07-28, 14:15 PM

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I doubt that it's the trackpoint causing the update to be blocked. It's the CPU driver. The trackpoint is a separate issue that many people don't care about because the working capacitive trackpoint was a pain in the butt anyway.
Lenovo and Intel probably won't update the GMA driver. But who knows, Microsoft blocked clover trails on the first version of Windows 10 and later released a GMA driver (not Intel or Lenovo). Maybe they'll do it again someday. But with this fluent design stuff coming I doubt it.

Nothing is causing the update to be "blocked." It installs just fine. The optical trackpoint (not capacitive) companion software is the main issue because, as I stated earlier, scrolling fails to work a majority of the time under 15063, ("Creator's") where this was never a problem in the previous two editions (14393 ["Anniversary"] and 10586 ["fall"]). It may be a "pain in the butt," but it's the only way to get around adequately, (short of using the capacitive touchscreen) so its failure to function is going to be a showstopper for most users.

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Re: Response to Followup Question about 15063 release

2017-07-28, 14:59 PM

The insider preview updates used to install just fine. But the TPT2 and all other clover trail devices have been blocked from receiving it since a week or two after the official release. Now, you have to perform a clean install (with "keep nothing" selected) from the ISO or a USB stick.
I never used the optical trackpoint for scrolling. Always the touch screen and if that failed then the pen - even with the keyboard connected. Most users probably don't even own the keyboard. The only reason I would maybe advise against installing the creators update is that it is not officially supported and a future update may break the device.

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Response to requested clarification on Windows 10 build 15063 for the ThinkPad Tablet 2

2017-07-28, 21:13 PM

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I never used the optical trackpoint for scrolling. Always the touch screen and if that failed then the pen - even with the keyboard connected. Most users probably don't even own the keyboard. The only reason I would maybe advise against installing the creators update is that it is not officially supported and a future update may break the device.


If it's not being offered through Windows Update, then that's probably a good thing. It'll save the vast majority of users from having to find out (the hard way) that the optical trackpoint scrolling doesn't work. To address your other concern, my guess is that most people who use this system do own the keyboard. Seriously, how could it be of any use without it?

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Re: Response to requested clarification on Windows 10 build 15063 for the ThinkPad Tablet 2

2017-07-29, 0:00 AM

All I see from the news is that Microsoft doesn't seem to support the CPU installed in Tablet 2 and hence has blocked the Creator and future upgrades. Given the fact that Windows 10 is not officially supported by Microsoft even from the beginning of the release of Windows 10, it becomes pointless for Lenovo to work out a driver for the track point on Windows 10. Although I hope Intel, Microsoft, and Lenovo should solve the issues soon, miracles may not happen. So, don't upgrade to Creator Update if you don't want to try very hard to make things work as smoothly as on Windows 8.1.

 

Just my 2 cent.

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