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jacksmart
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Message 11 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

I appreciate your comparison.  Very helpful.  My problem is i recently bought a yoga 920 and i have had nothing but problems day in day out.  After many hours reading other peoples issues with the 920 it blows my mind how many people have the quality control issues i have.  I even met two people in the last month at a Starbucks who had the same problems as well: noisey fan, screen which does not rotate in tablet mode, bad motherboard, bad battery, sub par wifi, loose usb c boarts, keyboard noise and stuck keys.  But what was more disturbing besides the horrific customer service (and i bought their premium support protection) is that after months of trying to resolve this with Lenovo - asking for a full refund to go buy another machine - i finally received an email telling me they will be happy to send me a brand new one.  WHy is this disturbing because after feeling like this was a fair resolution i started to read how many of the people with 920's, since Jan 2018, have been shipped new 920's and had the same problems all over again.  And what is very scarey is that these dozens and dozens of 920 owners were on their 4th, 6th, and even 8th laptop sent back and forth never resolving these quality control issues.  SO - i am going to make an appeal for a different device as i don't see them ever giving me a refund.  All the specs on the 920 are things i wanted and suited my habits and use of a laptop and looking at something comparable brings me, i think, to the Yoga x1 (3rd generation).  Would you agree that the x1 would be a good replacement?  Do you hear the same problems existing with the x1?  I know i will still have the same terrible customer service and the problems associated with waiting 4 weeks for an on-site tech but if i cannot get out of this purchase i would accept those limitations if the laptop was free of these annoyances and obstacles.  Do you think from what you know and have heard that i can rely more on the x1's out there?  I look forward to your advice.

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Message 12 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

I personally don't have any issues with the X1 Yoga. Generally speaking, the ThinkPad line is more durable than the other lines Lenovo makes. I would say the X1 would be a good replacement if the Yoga 920 keeps giving you issues. 


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jacksmart
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Message 13 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

I didn't grasp the concept that you are a Lenovo Advocate but now it makes sense.  Sorry to have bothered you. I was looking for a more objective point of view but i appreciate your response.

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Message 14 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

No problem. Just so you know, I don't work for Lenovo, I'm just a volunteer on the forums, so what I say are my opinions. 


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M-Dobrick
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Message 15 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

Good morning. I'm going to revive this thread and ask a few questions. Hoping someone can shed some light.

 

I've owned and loved an X230T for about 4 years now. It's well equipped with an i7, 8Gb RAM, and 256Gb SSD. I love the keyboard, and use it daily to take notes in meetings, on the shop floor at my office, and markup documents from my desk. The battery life is fantastic, and the durability can't be overstated. It's a great machine. However, it's showing it's age. I have some applications that are taking longer to run, and I'm getting some "wonkyness" from the flip around screen. 4yrs of daily use, and it's expected. Many of those days have been on construction job sites, airplanes, bar tops, and hotel rooms. Bought this machine with personal cash, but use it for work because it's THAT useful.

 

SO, boss has approved a new device for me with office funds. $1,500 budget. Was hoping for a bit more, but no big deal. My daily applications are PTC MathCAD (Visual Advanced Mathematics), Autodesk Inventor (3D Modelling, and FEA), Visual Studio (custom application writing), as well as the typical MS Office applications (Heavy OneNote User) and web browsing. I use the pen multiple times a day, and even have a pen on my mobile device (Samsung Galaxy Note 4).

 

I had originally looked hard at the X1 Yoga, however it's stressing the sligtly low budget. I've found the Yoga 720 has very similar (some better) specs as the X1 Yoga, but at a reduced cost. The X1 appears to have better port selection, which isn't a big deal for me. The 720 appears to have a larger screen and dedicated video card, which is a nice plus for my 3D modelling and FEA work.

 

So my question is...what am I missing between the two? Aside from the hardware specs, is there a significant downgrade in durability? Is dust ingress an issue with the 720 or the X1? I'm often in remote locations in a construction or fabrication shop environment with my device. Having that durability is huge for me.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on which is the better device here? Thanks in advance.

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Message 16 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

You'll be missing out on durability and reliability with the Yoga. ThinkPads are the best in the industry when it comes to these factors. One important difference is that the ThinkPad has a lift and lock keyboard, meaning that when the device is in tablet mode, the keyboard wlll retract and rubber bumpers will rise up to protect the device from scratches (the Yoga 720 doesn't have this).

 

In my experience, ThinkPads are also better at keeping out dust from its fans. My Yoga fans run louder than the ThinkPad with similar loads, and it seems that the ThinkPad has more airflow and also more dust resistant air intake vents. I believe ThinkPads has an exclusive "dust-resistant technology" that I don't think is present on the Yoga 720. 

 

You're also missing out on the keyboard (I have the Yoga 920 and the keyboard experience on the ThinkPad is that much better. 

 

I think your best bet would be to get the 2nd gen X1 Yoga since they're cheaper than the newest 3rd gen. If you're not looking for Yoga functionality, the X1 Carbon is also a great option (and cheaper too). And if you're looking for the most power, the P series is great. 

 

Btw, I've used Autodesk Inventor and NI Multisim on my X1 Yoga and they run great. One important thing is to stay away from QHD (or UHD) displays and only stick to 1080p (FHD) displays. My X1 Yoga has a 1080p display so Inventor and Multisim scale perfectly fine, but since my Yoga 910 is a QHD display, the scaling gets all wonky and just isn't pleasant to use. Lenovo offers QHD options for both the X1 Yoga and the Yoga 720 -- make sure you go with the FHD option!

 

Hope that helps! 


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Eric Xu

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M-Dobrick
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Message 17 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

EricX, Thanks for the reply.

 

The X1 Yoga sounds like what I need at this point. I had no idea that the Yoga 720 didn't have the retractable keyboard. While I like the idea of a dedicated VC in the Yoga 720, my models are typically not very visually appealing, and my current integrated graphics card has been doing OK, even with large part numbered assemblies. Continuing with that thought, if I'm doing heavy FEA work, I'll be at my desktop anyway, so that shouldn't really be a valid use case for the laptop.

 

I do use the pen daily. Often times 5-6 meetings a day where I'm taking hand written notes. I'm also often in the shop with my device, usually opening PDF's from the network, capturing a screen image of a section of that drawing, then marking it up realtime for the production floor. Also during field installations I'm helping construction crews setup large equipment onsite, and I use the device as a digital notepad. The pen usage in a dusty environment is somewhat critical for me. Shopping the Lenovo site, I only see the i5 as an option for the X1 Yoga. Is there a way to get the i7 2nd gen straight from Lenovo, or do I need to start searching 3rd party sites for one? I think the i7 will help when doing some of the computing I have planned while away from my desktop. Conversely, do you think the i7 is worth it in this case, or would you expect to see the i5 perform well for me, assuming I equip it with enough RAM and sufficiently fast HD?

 

Last question for this post......Where can I find a location near me to actually touch/feel/look at these devices? I bought my X230T sight unseen, based 100% on online reviews. It's worked out well, but it was a bit nerve racking having not laid a hand on the device before it was purchased. Is there a dealer network I can tap into to see one of these pre-purchase? Thanks for the help!

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Message 18 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

Check your electronics or computer retail stores. I know they have them on display at my local Best Buy.


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Message 19 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

While the pen experience is not 100% perfect on x230t, in my expeience of newer devices they have a different feeling.

If nothing else you need to try it out.

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Message 20 of 28

Re: Battle of the Yogas: ThinkPad X1 Yoga (2nd gen) VS. Yoga 910

I couldn't find an X1 Yoga to test, but did find several Yoga's at the local Best Buy. The writing/pen experienec wasn't bad, and I just trusted that the X1 Yoga was going to be similar.

 

My X1 Yoga (3rd Gen) showed up on Monday. Got the i7 8650U, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, and 4k HDR screen. So far I've been very pleased with it. The kayboard isn't as crisp as my X230T, but is still a decent expereince. I'm still not used to the scaling on the 4k screen 125% is too small, and the 150% setting seems too large. Palm rejection and my handwriting style don't mix well, so I've written a quick script to turn the touchscreen on/off with a single click. That helped immensly inking. The pen on the X1 is TINY in terms of diameter. I'm on the lookout for another pen, shame really as one of the big selling points of the X1 for me was that the pen was still carried on board. Sadly it's so dang thin I can't use it for much more than a 90 min meeting taking notes without my hand cramping up.

 

Overall it's a very nice machine, and significantly nicer than what I was using, so I can't complain too much Smiley Very Happy

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