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Message 11 of 24

Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

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I found this Reddit thread here that discusses the FHD vs QHD panels on the 5th gen X1 Carbon... Lenovo is using the same panels as that generation for the FHD and QHD models. 

 

The battery life difference between the FHD and QHD should only be half an hour to an hour apart in video playback. In real life usage, the difference would be closer to half an hour. 


I've seen far more complaints about Windows scaling issues for QHD+ resolutions and above compared to QHD or FHD. A lot of times, it boils down to the developers of programs who simply haven't worked to improve their programs for scaling. This might result in cut off text or buttons so small you can't even click them. I had this issue plenty of times with my Yoga 910 (with a 3200x1800 resolution). Since there are far fewer 4K laptops or displays out there compared to QHD, there is more emphasis on scaling things correctly for QHD displays. 

 

The QHD model is probably the most popular option amongst consumers because it's the middle ground option. That's probably why Lenovo kept it in there... because it sold well in the past. 

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Now to your second question:

Lenovo might have swapped out suppliers or improved color accuracy, but the spec for the displays are the same. Checking the FHD display model numbers for the 5th and 6th gen, they are identical, so I expect the 7th gen to be identical as well. 

 

Hope that helps.


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Message 12 of 24

Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

"Lenovo might have swapped out suppliers or improved color accuracy, but the spec for the displays are the same. Checking the FHD display model numbers for the 5th and 6th gen, they are identical, so I expect the 7th gen to be identical as well."

 

Thank you @EricX for this additional clarification.  That leaves little doubt that the panels are indeed identical as the part numbers are the same - this is a bummer as I mentioned earlier, as this is now the THIRD generation of X1C machines with the identical panel parts!  Paying top of the line pricing for a top of the line slim/light/fast machine, but getting a display panel that is 3+ years old leaves sort of a bad taste when placing one's order!!

 

I suppose the only solace is to remember that these panels might be already rather mature technology and that little might have changed in the last 3 years.  Still, I would have thought that power usage, angle of viewing, etc., would have improved in 3+ years' time!  We're not talking about a year or two.

 

Oh well, we have to take what they offer.  There is no other choice.  Sigh.

 

Here'a an article I found that shows (to the degree possible) the differences between QHD and FHD:

 

https://pcmonitors.info/articles/2560-x-1440-vs-1920-x-1080/

 

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Message 13 of 24

Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

This site has a good, super short summary of the essential pros and cons of this new generation X1C7:

 

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/24380-2019-lenovo-thinkpads/

 

"...Hopefully Lenovo will also keep their quality-control in check this time aroundLast year’s ThinkPad X1 Carbon was highly praised by reviewers, but retail models suffered from various inconsistencies in the keyboard, display and finishing quality, which are unacceptable in such premium and highly priced computers."

 

Additionally, I like this summary of the screen options, which often are either incomplete or convoluted on various other sites:

 

1)  14.0 inch, FHD matte (400 nits),

 

2)  FHD touch (400 nits),

 

3)  FHD ePrivacy (400 nits),

 

4)  WQHD matte (300 nits),

 

5)  UHD 10-bit with HDR (500 nits)

 

As per earlier posts on this thread, my thoughts are that something more current, i.e. greater resolution than Options (1), (2) and (3)  FHD above, would be desirable, as we're now in 2019 with good scalability via Windows 10.  That leaves me with Options 4 or 5.

 

Option 5 is overkill for a 14" screen, imho.  I'm on a 42" monitor with UHD 4K and it provides just the right amount of details for this large a monitor, and often, i have to scale it up to read dense text more comfortably.  To think that this level of pixel density would be on a 14" screen would seem downright silly to me, unless one were some type of a media or photography specialist or enthusiast.  Still, I find it hard to believe that a media/photography specialist would be satisfied with a 14" screen for any type of serious editing type of work.

 

That neatly leaves merely Option 4 as the only viable, reasonable, real world option for me:  the WQHD.  Sadly, this is the panel that @EricX smartly noted is the identical panel from 3 generations ago(!), i.e. for X1C5!   That's just plain lazy or greedy on Lenovo's part, imho.  They could easily have upgraded this WQHD to a more current model, with greater power consumption efficiency or superior viewing angles, etc.  Something...just to indicate that they aren't merely churning these out to make a higher profit margin.

 

Alas, this isn't they way Lenovo is going.  They are content to just churn these out with little tweaks here and there to increase margins and not give too much away in each iteration, each generation.  What can one do?  They are at the top of the market currently, even above the Dell XPS series. 

 

That said, it is unconscionable for Lenovo to have suffered the quality control issues last year with the X1C6 and also the X1C5, with the loose screw issue causing possible electrical shorting of the internal battery, inter alia.

 

It is what it is.  Once you're at the top, I suppose the temptation is to get a little lazy and increase profit margins to reap as much profit as one can after attaining such a position.  Disappointing to say the least.

 

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Message 14 of 24

Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

@EricX: 

 

i stumbled upon this write up on last year's X1C6 and its display.  interestingly, it says:

 

"...The new ThinkPad X1 Carbon ups its display game dramatically versus last year's model. It now sports a 2560x1440p WQHD+ display option that supports 100% of the AdobeRGB color gamut and drives 500 nits of brightness, along with Dolby Vision HDR (High Dynamic Range) capability..."

 

https://hothardware.com/reviews/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-6th-gen-review

 

 That's a very different WQHD display than this year's X1C7 WQHD display!!

 

Might the writer be mistaken?

 

Earlier here, we had discussed how this current year's X1C7's displays include a WQHD option that is identical to last year's X1C6's WQHD option.

 

Thank you in advance for your clarification.

 

 

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Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

Hi there. For the 6th gen X1 Carbon, Lenovo offered both a WQHD panel that was identical to the previous 5th gen model (same thing goes with the FHD panel), as well as an HDR WQHD model that is a new option from the 5th gen... something Lenovo didn't offered for the 5th gen product year.

 

This year with the 7th gen, it looks like Lenovo will be replacing the HDR WQHD model with a 4K model... another huge improvement.

 

Lenovo typically pushes the limits on its display tech for its highest tier ThinkPads (a few years ago, the X1 Yoga was the first laptop ever in industry to have an OLED display). For the FHD and the WQHD panels, Lenovo will more than likely use the same panel throughout generations.

 

Here's a little chart I made showing the offerings between the 5th and 6th gen X1 Carbons:

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As you can see, the two highlighted display options are identical amongst the two generations, and they will more than likely be the same panels for the 7th gen as well. This are the FHD and the WQHD options.

What I labeled in blue is the new display panel option introduced for the 6th gen model year. It's a HDR WQHD panel. For the 7th gen X1 Carbon, the 4K model will be replacing this option. The 4K model will also have HDR, 500 nits, and 100% gamut.

 

Of course, the HDR 4K display option on the 7th gen X1 Carbon is significantly better than the FHD and WQHD options offered, but if you're not doing anything that involves color accuracy, then you're better off keeping with the FHD and WQHD options and upgrading something else (ram, storage, processor, etc.).  BUT if you want the latest in display technology (and believe me, nothing in industry tops the 7th gen's offering of HDR 4K), then go for it... your eyes will thank you Smiley Happy

 

Hope that helps!

 


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Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

@EricX:   again, you impress me with the clarity of your communication.  Thank you.

 

May I ask if you've personally used a 14" FHD versus a 14" QHD please?  If so, how have you found them and which do you prefer?

For me, the power consumption differences of, say, around 30 mins to 1 hour, seems insignificant (to me).   the additional pixels and density would seem very useful in certain situations as you mentioned that Windows 10 scales QHD down very well (but Win10 does NOT scale well for 4K UHD).

 

in light of all of that, i see little reason to NOT get the QHD over the FHD.  it seems like it's a given, unless the small differences in cost cause a budget issue.

 

is my thinking correct please?  if the minor cost differential is not an issue, and if i do not like to consume media on a 14" screen, so it is used almost exclusively for professional types of uses, then the QHD seems like it's the ONLY sensible option, with no good reason to go downmarket to FHD (unless there is a budgetary constraint).

 

thanks again.

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Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

The QHD is certainly sharper... I don't own a 14" QHD model, but I do have a QHD+ Yoga 900 and there is a slight difference in sharpness compared to FHD. 

 

I think for your criteria, the QHD model will be the way to go. It's a good balanced between screen res, battery life, and price.


Hope that helps!

 

 


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Message 18 of 24

Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

Hi everyone! First post here and I am looking to buy my first Thinkpad replace my 2013 Macbook pro. Are there any updates regarding when the X1C7 will be released? It's almost June! Any guesses on the battery life of the new unit sporting the 4K display? 

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Message 19 of 24

Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?

nothing yet.  I assume some piece(s) are delayed from suppliers.


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Re: Lenovo - X1C7 - X1 Carbon 7th Generation 2019 - Pre-Order Start and Delivery Dates?


@richk wrote:

nothing yet.  I assume some piece(s) are delayed from suppliers.


To further add to the speculation (with unfounded guesses from me Smiley Very Happy), I'd guess they are waiting for Computex, which starts in a few days. Intel's CCG SVP (client CPUs) is slated to give a keynote speach during the opening day (28th, afternoon). If Ice Lake isn't delayed, this is probably the "embargo" date Intel has set for official Ice Lake announcements (au contraire to "unofficial" leaks and such).

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