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Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-28, 19:53 PM

Even though my boss and coworkers say I should buy a new laptop, I prefer to keep my X220 and my mini dock 3.

 

Are these %100 compatible and recommended SSD's?

 

 Crucial M550 256GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive CT256M550SSD3

www.amazon.com/Crucial-256GB-mSATA-Internal-CT256M550SSD3/dp/B00IRRDJ4W

 

 Crucial MX200 250GB mSATA Internal Solid State Drive - CT250MX200SSD3

www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX200-250GB-mSATA-Internal/dp/B00RQA6LFA

 

 

I read somewhere else that Crucial might be preferred instead of Samsung EVO's in mSata.

What are you guys using on your X220? I can't find any other brands/models than these 3 listed here.

 

• X220, Intel i5 2540M, 12.5 IPS, BT, FP • S405, AMD A6-4455M •T450S i5-5300U, 12 GB, IPS, BT
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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-28, 21:21 PM
Good choices, though - keep x220 and install msata SSD.

Both drives are based on the same controller, fast enough, at the same time 256 GB version of MX200 is one of the fast drive with such capacity and even faster then SSDs with bigger size due to its architecture. Also it's one of leader of massmarket 256 GB storage.

Note, you'll not get full performance from both drives because of x220 supports SATA II interface only in the msata slot (drives above has SATA III interface, backward compatible with SATA II).

Due to my conservatism, I prefer Intel, so you see their drives in my signature. Nevertheless, for your choice are Micron, Plextor, MyDigitalSSD, Corsair... Not OCZ. But Crucial is a very good choice.



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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-29, 4:36 AM

Thanks for your reply.

 

I did not see 256GB version of MX200, there is 250GB only.  Did you notice any differences between MX200 and M550?

 

Which exact drive are you using? I can get what you have if that's still available for sale.

 

When I read a few forums, they mentioned removal of HDD in order to fit SSD, but then I watched a youtube instructional video, he only removed WWAN card and installed SSD. Does this mean HDD and SSD can stay in the computer together so we can easily recover the factory image on SSD and then have dual boot? Or at least maintain access to our data on HDD?

 

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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-29, 7:49 AM
Yes, I mean 250 GB version of MX200, sorry.

I'm using Intel 320 series as 2.5" SATA and 310 series as msata drives (have a look at my signature below the post). But they are too old presently (3...4 years are too old), SSD industry is being developed very fast.

There are different configurations to use SSD, from Lenovo designed to unique. Part of them depends whether you are planning to use wwan card as well:
- SSD instead of HDD in the 2.5" drive bay
- msata SSD in combination with HDD or SSD in the drive bay. WWAN slot will be busy
- drives are the same as above, but, nonetheless, wwan card is installed too.

In any case system boot drive could be HDD, SSD, msata SSD, for your choice.



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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-29, 19:38 PM

Thanks for your help.

WHen you said I won't get the full perforance, is there a bottleneck or speed restrictions when using mSata?  I do not have GSM card, I should still have the mSata slot available, right? I don't really want to remove the existing hard drive but if that would be more stable and with better performance, I can certainly consider that.

 

What would be a compatible SSD (I thought I couldn't fit regular SSD in place of HDD due to height) that I can buy to replace the HDD?  Can you suggest a specific model/brand?

Thank you.

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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-29, 20:55 PM

For me, there are no bottleneck with any (!) SSD, 2.5" or msata, sata II or III. Of course, if your tasks on the laptop don't need peak performance.

Regarding comparision of sata and msata drive, I'd like to say: the drives Intel 320 (2.5", sata II) and Intel 310 (msata formfactor, sata II interface) have similar architecture, one generation, have the same performance in the x220 (tested by AS SSD). So, don't worry, use any SSD (2.5" or msata) you want. Of course, 2.5" SSD with sata III interface is faster then msata SSD with sata II interface.

Next generation SSD has faster interface, PCIe. In this case we'll get a very big difference of performance. X1C Gen3 is an example of laptop with such drive.

Regarding 2.5" SSD - get any model you want (again, not OCZ), not too old model is better, of course. For example, Crucial mx200 we spoke about is being produced in the 2.5" form factor too.



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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-29, 22:01 PM

I think you knew what I was going to say, I saw how amazing SSD's can be after seeing a cowoerker's X1C Gen 3 (or maybe his is gen 2, I have to check, is there an easy way to tell?) with SSD work wonders, his email search results in outlook were instant, his excel files opened like they were already running. Do you mean I won't get such performance from these 2.5" or mSata drives? I work with large pst files running on outlook exchange, so it helps greatly when my indexes are done fast and I can find my files and emails easily. This is why I wanted to get SSD.

So with the Crucial MX200, yep, it comes in 2.5" here: http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX200-250GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B00RQA6DTE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430344621&sr=8-1&keywords=CT250MX200SSD1

So if I buy this, I can remove my current hard drive and slide this in and that would be it, right? Then I can use Thinkpad recovery drive that I created and restore my thinkpad OS to factory settings. But if i use mSata, I can keep my original hdd in place and just add more storage, if needed even boot from mSata, is this correct? I just don't want to have a surprise where mSata is not bootable. :)

 

You mentioned SATA 3, so there is no SATA 3 in our X220's at all, right, neither mSata nor 2.5" bay so performance would be same for both situations?

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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-29, 22:50 PM
> Do you mean I won't get such performance from these 2.5" or mSata drives?

yes, as I've noted above PCIe SSD has higher performance. The difference is bigger then sata III beats sata II. But in synthetic tests mainly. In real tasks the real gain doesn't look so significant.
I'm planing to post (during next 7...10 days) some review and test results of comparision x220 and x1c gen3 with PCIe SSD drive.

> So if I buy this, I can remove my current hard drive and slide this in and that would be it, right?

yes. But earlier you said you want to keep HDD as a storage

> But if i use mSata, I can keep my original hdd in place and just add more storage, if needed even boot from mSata, is this correct?

yes

> I just don't want to have a surprise where mSata is not bootable. :smileyhappy:

why standard drive shouldn't be bootable? The time of troubles with some msata drives in the x220 is far back in the past.

> so there is no SATA 3 in our X220's at all, right, neither mSata nor 2.5" bay so performance would be same for both situations?

2.5" bay (as well docking bay) supports sata III interface, msata slot supports sata II.

Note, in my system - win7 on the Intel SSD, sata II, in the 2.5" bay - files indexing even is rurned off w/o any issues of perfomance.



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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-30, 4:35 AM

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why standard drive shouldn't be bootable? The time of troubles with some msata drives in the x220 is far back in the past.

2.5" bay (as well docking bay) supports sata III interface, msata slot supports sata II.

Note, in my system - win7 on the Intel SSD, sata II, in the 2.5" bay - files indexing even is rurned off w/o any issues of perfomance.

Thanks, yes I noticed in recent Bios upgrades (a while ago) the issue of msata not being recognized was fixed.

What I meant with indexing is, I rely on indexing to find my emails, I have about 10,000 emails and thousands more in folders so I really need faster search results.

 

With you mSata SSD, what kind of results do you get on your x220 with CyrstalDiskMark?

And how is it compared to Sata III SSD in 2.5" bay?

 

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Re: Looking for SSD for my 4 year old X220

2015-04-30, 8:16 AM

> I rely on indexing to find my emails, I have about 10,000 emails and thousands more in folders so I really need faster search results.

 

I'm sure you'll get significant gain of performance in such real tasks with any type of SSD.

 

> With you mSata SSD, what kind of results do you get on your x220 with CyrstalDiskMark?

 

I don't use CrystalDiskMark, AS SSD is enough for my requests. Several test results of different SSD in the x220 are below, with CDM also.

 

> And how is it compared to Sata III SSD in 2.5" bay?

 

Of course, SSD with sata III interface in the slot with sata III support gives faster performance, double gain, as expected. Prooves are below.

 

Test results for different SSDs in the x220 :

1. Intel 320 series, 2.5", sata II, 120 GB, link

2. Intel 310 series, msata (sata II interface), 80 GB, in comparision with Hitachi HDD 320 GB, fast enough drive, in MB/sin IOPSCrystalDiskMark

3. Crucial M4-CT128, 2.5", 128 GB, sata III, AS SSDCrystalDiskMarkwith fw upgraded

 

Note:

usually, the more SSD capacity the faster drive is in comparision with the same model



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