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ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2: GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q, not a regular GTX 1650

2020-03-13, 15:01 PM

While Lenovo remains unsure about which GPU it has included in the ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2, NVIDIA has confirmed that it is not the regular GeForce GTX 1650. As expected, Lenovo has included a GTX 1650 Max-Q instead. While NVIDIA is releasing a new driver to address the confusion, it may be months before it arrives on most X1 Extreme Gen 2 machines.

 

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I am very angry! :-(

If I had known this, I would have chosen a different notebook (Dell XPS 15).

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Re:ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2: GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q, not a regular GTX 1650

2020-03-13, 15:30 PM

Hi ThinkChess, and welcome to the Lenovo User Community!

 

The X1 Extreme Gen 2 spec (PDF) is very clear that it is Max-Q, but the "Max-Q" does seem to have been dropped in other places.

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Re:ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2: GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q, not a regular GTX 1650

2020-03-15, 6:32 AM

The whole situation is still a bit unclear to me. I have a Gen2. Notebookcheck originally indicated the GTX 1650 has 896 cores. Now it says 1024, like the T2000 in the Thinkpad P1. NVIDIA control panel also says 1024. As to clock speeds, GPU-Z says maximum is 1245, which indicates a Max-Q. Run Furmark, though, and use a tool to crank up the fans manually (the BIOS likes to keep things quiet - perhaps for too long) and GPU-Z says the clockspeed spikes much higher. I think I've seen spikes over 1500.

 

Gaming benchmarks at Notebookcheck say it's slightly faster than the Gen1. The whole thermal design is strange, though. On the one hand I want to say the machine is thermally limited - and has been since Gen1 - hence you can't expect much more out of it. I wouldn't buy the 9850 or 9980. On the other hand the package temperatures I see during a stress test are quite low. The GPU stays under 70C as does the CPU, because when the GPU is running at full tilt, the machine limits the TDP of the CPU to 15W (at least with Furmark). That's probably good enough for gaming, as a single thread still runs at 3.4GHz or so, but ... yeah.

 

When both CPU and GPU are heavily loaded, the keyboard gets quite warm. Perhaps Lenovo are trying to strike a compromise between enthusiast and business users. Noise and heat may be of greater concern for the latter. Of course the latter may also have a requirement for heavy duty workloads, but they'd probably buy a P1 for that.

 

It's hard to say who this model is for. I think it's great, but I had a whole host of reasons to go for it, not least simple things like that it's a light 15" laptop with a centered keyboard (no number pad) and that it's got a metal base with not many (breakable) clamps, so it's user upgradeable without too much grief. If it's also a halo machine for business executives, they won't have too much concern about actual performance.

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Re:ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2: GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q, not a regular GTX 1650

2020-03-17, 2:52 AM

Update: If GPU-Z is to be believed, my GTX1650 runs at 1830Mhz during gaming, with a 1750MHz memory clock.

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ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2: GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q, not a regular GTX 1650

2020-03-17, 5:35 AM
Performance on the max q model is about 9% less than the regular gtx 1650. In my opinion, the max q variant is not too far behind the regular one and should still power you through most workloads. Even if I knew I would still have gotten the thinkpad for its security and keyboard
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