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X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-04-20, 6:58 AM

Hi all,

 

I have an 20FB I am installing 64 bit windows on from USB.  Unit is brand new, build date last month orderd with 512GB NVMe SSD.

 

Symptom:  Cant get windows 7 to install on the disk

Previous:   Incorporated USB3.0 drivers into the installer, it reads the USB with no problems

                    Copied samsung NVMe WHQL v1.4.17 drivers to the USB.  Got the drivers from here: http://www.win-raid.com/t29f25-Recommended-AHCI-RAID-and-NVMe-Drivers.html

                    Booting in Legacy, not UEFI

 

Procedure:    Its basically an F6 install:  
                        Do a standard install until the "where do you want to install windows" screen.  
                        Select "Load Drivers" and install the samsung drivers (Samsung NVMe controller nvme.inf).

                        Result:  "No drives were found.  Click Load Driver to provide a mass storage driver for installation.

 

Im not 100% sure that Im installing the correct samsung drivers, but they're the only ones I can find online. Im also not 100% sure which SSD model/type I have installed and I dont want to crack open the unit to find out...

 

I've also tried the windows 'hotfix' and installed native NVMe into the installer... and thats a crock as expected.  There are no drivers to unload, only the .msu package which I added to the install.wim and boot.wim anyways....

 

If anyone has a suggestion I'll send you some bazooka joe for karma. 

 

Cheers,
Riv.

 

 

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X1 20A7, X1 3443 and a Tab 8. Oh, plus some various T61's, T410s, T420s and a an old R40.
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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-04-20, 8:47 AM

I have installed Win 7 64-bit on a samsung nvme with great success using the same driver from your link.

1. Are you able to locate the driver when you press "search" och "load drivers"? If not, ignore all USB 3.0-ports until Windows 7 are fully installed. According to TP X1 spec pdf, you have one USB 2 and one USB 3.

2. What USB-port do you use when connecting your flash drive? (there are both USB 2 and 3-ports on your laptop, be sure that you Only use version 2.0 port when installing Windows 7. Try this even if you included USB3-drivers, just to eliminate potential errors)
3. I am 95 % that nvme requires UEFI-boot. Try a BIOS-reset and make sure bootsettings are UEFI-compatible, and starting from USB and NVME next.

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-04-20, 23:52 PM

Thanks JensDavid,

 

To answer your quesions, yes I can locate the driver set on the USB and it appears to install.  I thought the ports were all USB3.0 - I'll double check it, but I think you're likely right with having to boot with UEFI. 

 

I'll try your suggestions today and let you know.   Hmmm... creating a win7 bootdisk using UEFI - I have some googling to do. 

 

Riv.

X1 20A7, X1 3443 and a Tab 8. Oh, plus some various T61's, T410s, T420s and a an old R40.
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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-04-21, 3:17 AM

Thanks JensDavid, you put me on the right path.  Solution was (for future humans with the same issue):

 

 

- Convert USB Install disk to UEFI (using instructions here: http://www.sevenforums.com/installation-setup/321097-how-install-windows-7-uefi-mode-usb.html)

- change BIOS to UEFI (if not already)

- during install load the Samsung drivers.  It threw up the 'cannot install to this disk' error but did see the disk as disk1 partition1

- open cmd prompt (shift + F10) and run diskpart > select the correct disk > convert gpt

- continue install as normal 

 

All good now. :)  Now I need to load drivers and create an image that'll work when using pxe...  :p

 

Thanks again, your input is appreciated.   Good karma is now being beamed to you.  Please click accept when the msgbox in your head appears. :)

 

Riv.

 

 

X1 20A7, X1 3443 and a Tab 8. Oh, plus some various T61's, T410s, T420s and a an old R40.
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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-04-21, 7:29 AM

I am glad it worked!:)
 
I managed to install Windows 7 from the Lenovo rescue media on a ThinkPad P50 directly to a Nvme disk. The ThinkPad P50 has only USB 3.0 ports and no CD/DVD-tray. Because Win7 has no native support for neither USB 3.0 or Nvme, this was rather tricky. This post is to someone that might want to do a proper installation without using Samsung Data Migration Tool. I would not recommend using the Samsung cloning software, because it does not take partitition aligment into considiration. SSD cloning decrease the SSD write performence by 50% (in many cases), and this is not wanted when buying the fastest SSD available on the market.
 

  • Set bios to Uefi-compatible and start up the Windows 7 recovery media from Lenovo.
  • Choose the Nvme disk when asked. I can't remember if Lenovo Rescue and Recovery needs specific drivers, but I don't think so. Then let everything be copied over. Windows 7 will now not be able to start properly because lack of the Nvme driver.
  • I had boot up using a Windows 8 installation disk to get the needed native support for USB 3.0 and Nvme.
  • Choose "Repair your computer" -> "Command prompt" and use the DISM tool to manually inject Nvme driver to the Windows 7 installation: 
  • Type: dism /image:c:\ /add-driver /Driver:X:\ /recurse , where the "X:\" is the full path to the correct drivers. The steps are similar to this article http://www.dowdandassociates.com/blog/content/howto-repair-windows-7-install-after-replacing-motherboard/
  • Reboot.
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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-13, 19:40 PM

rivmasta

 

Your post worked, thank you!

Running x1 carbon type 20fb, Samsung Pro 950 256GB M.2

FYI - After you convert the disk to GPT with diskpart, Windows install screen will still tell you that it can't install to that drive, but if you click "Next" it will start the install copy process anyway.

 

-PayByPhone

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-15, 20:28 PM

 

This is very interesting as I'm considering to get the new X1 carbon and do the exact same thing, i.e. fit a Samsung Pro 950 M.2 SSD and install windows 7, and I was wondering:

 

-What make/model of SSD came originally with your X1 Carbon?

 

-Do I have to buy a configuration with nvme SSD to be able to replace it with the Samsung Pro 950 M.2 SSD?

 

-What media did you use to install Windows 7? How did you get the key or activation code?

 

Thanks

 

Motasim

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 6:24 AM

Hello, Dear every one,

I bought brand new X1 Carbon 4th Gen Intel Core i7-6600U With 16 GB Ram and 512GB Solid State Drive, PCIe-NVMe, unforuntlly it comes with Windows 10 Home 64, Which I don't like at all.

I am trying to install Win 7 Ultimate 64Bit OEM on my brand new X1 Carbon 4th Gen, but I have failed in every attempt ?

1. I want to remove every thing on this computer, I mean every thing e.g recovery media etc.

2. Want to create 2 partition, 1st for C: and 2nd for D:

3. How I should make bootable usb ?

4. How I should add usb3 support to bootable usb. Since X1 Carbon 4th Gen have all usb3 port. all 3 ports are usb3.

5. How I should add PCIe-NVMe support to bootable usb.

6. What config should I do in my bois/uefi settings?

 

 

Note: I have  2 usb stick. the 1st one is  usb3 64gb and the 2nd one is usb2 8gb.

which usb should I use ???

 

 

Please Please Please could any one help me..

 

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 9:24 AM

Hello jumaazad.

 

  1. Enter BIOS and load setup defaults.
  2. You have one USB 2.0-port on your PC, you have to use only that USB-port. Locate the proper port and don't use the other at all, during installation. Windows 7 setup does not support USB 3.0.
  3. Download this NVMe-driver and put the files to another USB-flashdrive.
  4. Start Windows installation and locate the needed NVMe-driver when asked. You have to unplug the Windows USB-stick and plug in the second USB-stick with your NVMe-driver.
  5. The Windows installation will now see your harddrive and you can remove the large partition and install Win7 there. The easiest way is to manage different partitions and sizes after Win7 is fully installed.

 

NVMe and USB 3.0 is supported from BIOS but not Windows 7. Therefor you have to avoid USB 3.0-ports because windows installation can't continue after windows setup is loaded. And you have to manually install NVMe drivers in the beginning of installation of Win7.
 
How far have you come through installation before it stops?

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 9:34 AM

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Note: I have  2 usb stick. the 1st one is  usb3 64gb and the 2nd one is usb2 8gb.

which usb should I use ???

"

 

Use the 64 GB-stick for Win7 and the second one to store NVMe-drivers. Note: All USB 3-sticks can be used in 2.0-ports.

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 11:37 AM
The X1 carbon 4th Gen have all usb3 ports. No usb2 port at all .
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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 11:46 AM
I have solved usb3 problem but couldn't solve the NVMe, I will give another try tomorrow hope it works.. Thanks for help...
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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 12:11 PM

Hi All,

 

I'm considering to get the new X1 carbon but it is very important for me to know ahead if I can replace the existing SSD with a Samsung Pro 950 M.2 SSD and then install windows 7, which as I learnt is possible, but I still have the following questions:

-What make/model of SSD comes originally with the X1 Carbon? Do I have to originally order it with an NVMe SSD or can I order it with a SATA SSD (to save some money) and then install my NVMe SSD?

-Should I firstly create windows 7 recovery media from within windows on the original SSD and then use that media to install windows 7 on the new SSD? Will that work? Is the windows key integrated in the vesion? Will I have to call Microsoft to activate it?

 

Thanks,

Motasim

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 21:03 PM

Yes, I doublechecked the ports and there is no USB 2. You have to manually inject NVMe-drivers to installation and there is no other way but through USB-ports. If you solved the USB 3-problem, then you could easily download the driver posted earlier in this thread and search for them from another USB-stick at the beginning of windows installation.

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-24, 21:23 PM

"I'm considering to get the new X1 carbon but it is very important for me to know ahead if I can replace the existing SSD with a Samsung Pro 950 M.2 SSD and then install windows 7, which as I learnt is possible, but I still have the following questions:

-What make/model of SSD comes originally with the X1 Carbon? Do I have to originally order it with an NVMe SSD or can I order it with a SATA SSD (to save some money) and then install my NVMe SSD?

-Should I firstly create windows 7 recovery media from within windows on the original SSD and then use that media to install windows 7 on the new SSD? Will that work? Is the windows key integrated in the vesion? Will I have to call Microsoft to activate it?"

 

  • The new ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 4 is M.2 NVMe-compatible, it means that you can buy a Samsung 950 pro and it will work perfectly. You can configure it with the cheapest SSD to save money. Avaible storage options are stated here. M.2 NVMe, etc.
  • Yes, it is important to order it with Win7 and then create recovery media asap when starting the PC. The new media can be used to install windows 7 on any SSD in your laptop, Samsung 950 etc. The windows key is integrated and connected to your motherboard so it will be no activation problem.
  • Replace your lenovo-SSD with the Samsung 950 pro and install Windows 7 from your recovery media. You will not be able to start Windows after installation is completed, you have to follow my steps earlier in this thread to be able to start windows. I have done this on a ThinkPad P50. Bought the cheapest HDD, created recovery media, replaced HDD with Samsung 950 pro, installed windows, manually injected NVMe-drivers afterwards (win7 has no native NVMe support), i am now writing on the fastest computer i have ever owned:3
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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-25, 13:00 PM

Hello, Every One.

After loading the PCIe-NVMe Driver, I finaly got the drivers list, but unforunatlly could not install, keeps giving me error and I wan unable to open Command Prompt aswell (Shift+F10) was not working.

Any idea what should I do now ??

Any kind of help will be much appreciated.

Thanks...

 

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-25, 16:37 PM

Try to clean all partitions from the SSD and let windows create its own partition to install on.
 
To do so; enter language preferences, choose "Repair your computer" in the beginning of setup, load proper NVMe-drivers and choose "Use recovery tools ..." and click Next, choose "Command Prompt".
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZqhz2p1OFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJU8Gn4nSf0
 
And then restart the installation and it would all be fine.

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-05-27, 14:11 PM

Thanks a lot JensDavid for your excellent help, all is clear now!

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-07-21, 15:37 PM

Thank you all for the help, I was able to get the proper install disk created, and with the help of Intel's USB 3.0 Creator Utility, I was able to get Win 7 Enterprise installed no problem.

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-08-01, 23:24 PM

Wasn't sure if I should create a new thread but I have a similar issue.

1. Installed new Samsung 950 pro 512gb nvme hard drive

2. setup bootable usb (2.0) stick with win7, added NVMe and USB3 drivers

3. Tried to boot but it would not boot, no matter if I selected legacy or UEFI or both

4. Added UEFI to usb

5. Wouldnt boot with bios set to UEFI but now it would boot with both and legacy first option, strange

6. Go into windows, loaded the NVMe driver but shift+F10 wouldnt work

7. managed to get the command prompt via recovery.  copied install files and setup booting

8. Drive would not boot.

9. Inserted USB, now win7 install worked fine so I just wiped the partition and installed windows

10. On reboot, windows wouldn't boot.  It goes to the boot menu.  If I select NVMe, it just goes back to the boot menu.

 

Finally, I discovered that my Win7 will not boot unless I have a USB stick plugged.  Any usb stick, even an empty usb stick.

 

Any suggestions?

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Re: X1 Carbon G4 - cant install win7 on NVMe

2016-08-02, 8:08 AM

I don't know what causes the problem in your case. Try to reset BIOS to default settings and choose proper startup devices, this should work. Something like: 1st USB, 2nd NVMe. Only. And when Windows has been installed, remove USB as startup option and only have one device in the list; the SSD drive.

 

Have you tried to install Windows 7 from a factory recovery media? I had to do that some days ago after screwing up the registry beyond repair.

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