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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-19, 3:58 AM

the new 10.1.1.38 driver works fine in build 14986, so I guess the problem is not with the chipset driver after all.

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-19, 11:43 AM

OK, thanks for your feedback.  Let me follow up with Lenovo test team and see what their result is with 15009.

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-20, 2:07 AM

thanks!

meanwhile, I tried upgrading from 14986 to 15014 - same problem.

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-20, 14:56 PM

I have tested 15009 myself and I'm not seeing a problem.

 

My test systems are ThinkPad T460s and ThinkPad X1 Yoga.  They both have Samsung NVMe SSDs.  There is no problem with startup, shutdown, sleep, resume, or any errors about NVMe logged in the event viewer.

 

One system was clean-installed from 15009 ISO.  The other system was clean-installed with 14393 ISO and then upgraded to 15009.

 

Can you be more specific about the repro step?  In your original post, you mentioned booting to the ISO and doing something in the recovery console - can you be more specific about that?

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-20, 16:26 PM

thanks for trying to reproduce this, I really appreciated this!

 

here are the steps that show the problem in my system without actually having to install a build:

 

  • aquire iso (I used the 14986 & 15002 isos from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windowsinsiderpreviewadvanced)
  • create usb uefi installation medium using rufus (https://rufus.akeo.ie/):
    • "create a bootable disk using ISO Image" -> select iso
    • "partition scheme: GPT partition scheme for UEFI"
  • start menu -> power -> hold <shift> key while pressing "restart" to get to the advance startup menu
  • in the "Use Device" section, set "USB HDD"
  • the system will now boot from the installation medium created in step 2
  • select the "repair my system" option, and then "Troubleshoot" -> "Advanced Options" -> "Command Prompt"
  • start the "diskpart" utility, then enter "list disk" to show the list of drives recognized by the os

 

when using the 14986 or older iso, the first drive listed in diskpart will be the actual 500gb ssd drive.

 

when using the 15002 or newer iso, the boot from the stick will take measurably longer (~3min longer) and the first three drives reported in diskpart are shown as 0gb, with the 4th drive being the actual 500gb ssd drive.

 

please note: my system (machine type 20FRS2M600, s/n R90LR4P8) came with the Toshiba XG3 ssd (part no SSD0F66193). maybe the problem is specific to the toshiba brand ssd? according to the storage firmware update (download id FWNV10) the drive has already the latest firmware installed:

 

is there maybe a newer nvme firmware release available that I could test with?

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-20, 17:35 PM

I didn't have any problem running "diskpart -> list disk" from WinRE.  It returned almost immediately and showed the correct drives in the system.  The 29GB is my attached USB memory key that booted WinRE 15009.

 

I need to find a Toshiba XG3 NVMe SSD and try again.

 

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-20, 18:10 PM

your output looks almost like mine does in the 14986 WinRE, the only difference being the boot usb stick using a GPT partition.

 

in 15014 WinRE it looks like this:

 

 

 

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-20, 18:40 PM

I could reproduce the problem by using a Toshiba XG3 drive.  It is exactly as you say.  We will investigate it.

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-20, 18:45 PM

awesome, thanks for your efforts!

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Re: X1 Yoga (2016) with NVMe SSD: newer windows builds' default PCIe chipset driver breaks NVMe

2017-01-27, 22:27 PM

I've used the newly released NVMe firmware tool FWNV12 to successfully upgrade the toshiba drive to firmware 57LA4105 - that did not yet solve the problem (reproduced with windows insider build 15019).

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