06-19-2012 11:03 AM - edited 06-20-2012 04:30 AM
Will Lenovo add official support for Sierra Wireless MC7710 http://www.sierrawireless.com/productsandservices/
By support I mean to whitelist the device in BIOS at least, assuming the WWAN card will be Lenovo branded one for X230 model. Please consider that many of us could wait for X230 with official 4G WWAN support but the keyboard layout change was unacceptable so we bought X220 instead.
Because Lenovo don't want to introduce ThinkPad classic keyboard as X230 option they could allow X220 owners to use up-to-date WWAN cards instead.
06-29-2012 09:54 AM
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06-29-2012 12:12 PM - edited 06-29-2012 12:40 PM
X230 FRU parts are already published here http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/product-and-parts/
60Y3257 2 FRU Gobi3 WWAN - 3G MC8355
04W3779 2 FRU Gobi4 VLTE - MC7700 (V = Verizon) ?
04W3780 2 FRU Gobi5 ALTE - MC7750 (A = AT&T) ?
As for the 3rd antena, it still should be possible to install it because the X230 display frame looks exactly as X220 one.
Unfortunately the Lenovo policy of whitelisting devices in BIOS has been strictly bound to exact list of devices supported for particular model only in the past
I don't think that Lenovo managers understand that for some customers the X220 is the last ThinkPad and they will not buy any of new keyboard-less models (unless classic 7 row ThinkPad keyboard layout is provided as an option).
06-29-2012 01:59 PM
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06-29-2012 02:10 PM - edited 06-29-2012 02:14 PM
Where did you find the line between Lenovo' FRU and Sierra' p/n?
It is my speculation only.
I know, just a dream. I did not want to sound too negative
I agree with your statement in the last paragraph, this is very sad. But what do you meen when you say "unless classic 7 row ThinkPad keyboard layout is provided as an option"? You dream Lenovo will launch new optional classic keyboard for x230 and other "new" laptop models? No chance.
07-01-2012 10:40 AM - edited 07-01-2012 10:42 AM
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I agree with your statement in the last paragraph, this is very sad.
Lenovo could learn from companies like Ricoh http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/26/Ricoh-GXR-
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07-01-2012 07:52 PM - edited 07-03-2012 12:04 AM
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Hello,
Having worked for a hardware manufacturer, I know it can costs tens of thousands of dollars in testing time, not to mention engineers' salaries, to get a product certified for RF emissions. I could see Lenovo adding new functionality if they had to completely re-do certification on the model because of some catastrophic failure (like a fire hazard or electrocution issue—not adding support for a device that didn't exist when the device was being designed does not count), but because it is working as implemented and as announced in the specifications, I can't seem them adding support for it.
As it is, there are people who modify the BIOSes on their ThinkPad to enable custom functionality, and it is possible that someone will do this for the X220 at some point (if it hasn't happened already). Needless to say, such modifications violate the warranty, so if the unit ever needs to be serviced, you'll have to reflash it with the authorized warranty in order to get support.
By the way, for what it's worth, I'm typing this in a coffee shop on an X220 tethered to a Novatel Wireless MiFi2372 portable 3G to Wi-Fi hotspot. It's about the size of a thick business card case and provides tethering for up to five devices at once, I believe. Since I use multiple ThinkPads, this allows me to provide all of them with a 3G connection (and, eventually, a 4G connection) without my having to purchase a 3G modem and service for each device. Perhaps you could look into a similar option for 4G connectivity.
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Aryeh Goretsky
07-02-2012 03:00 AM - edited 07-02-2012 10:13 AM
goretsky,
thank you for your reply. I expected the such opinion so let me answer.
1. That your statement confirms my previous replica about the purpose of Lenovo when new laptops models have been gearing up to the market.
2. Modding BIOS for thousands of users is the need to protect of their investments to equipment they have already. Note, to IBM, Lenovo, Intel equipment, the vendors who claim (claimed) about the quality, reliability of their products and customers' investments protection at the same time. And what about to care about Lenovo' customers investments protection in reality? No chance, cash flow is the goal at any cost.
Then, white list was justified for IBM, the company which protected her legendary quality and reliability. Many customers forgave the wl inconvenience for reliability and quality. But not in present time with current Lenovo' design quality. Do you care about the cost of testing new hardware? White list presently is just waste of money - look at the development cost of wl protection new methods for example.
As for me I don't use modded BIOS itself in my personal laptop (look at the link above), I use original BIOS and original wl. I've solved that problem myself and x220 works fine for me with Gobi 2000 during the year.
As for the other laptop in my signature - it's the dream of any laptop owner IMHO because of consists hdd AND msata ssd AND 3g modem with GPS AND wifi card.
In conclusion of previous statements - Lenovo marketing staff demonstrates their bad qualification and non-professional work. Note we are talking about only wireless devices in laptops only, not about "new" ****beep*** keyboard in new laptop models.
3. OK, good technical decision. But US isn't the whole world and ATT isn't the wide world carrier. MiFi2372 I see at the market is locked to ATT. If I want to get this device for my carrier I should unlock it. OK, but look at your 2nd statement about the warranty.
Also this device costs about $250 (!) in my country. If I'll by it on ebay (about $55...60) I have to pay for shipping and comission expenses for company-agent (thanks ebay and VISA) w/o warranties. Another negative point is the time of working from the battery, just 4 hours. But I need internet access everywhere and everytime and don't want to care about another external device lifetime. Another devices from that company are for CDMA networks only (there are nothing such carriers in my country and as I know in EU too) or do not presented in the market (I mean 4620L).
If you want to change the world and become the 1st you do it, if you don't - you see the reasons.
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07-02-2012 04:47 AM - edited 07-02-2012 07:23 AM
Hello,
I understand the argument of FCC certification but I don't get why non-certified devices are explicitely disabled in BIOS ? I think that a no-warranty-warning should be enough but why to force people to use dangerous BIOS mods ? I can not imagine that different WWAN module would not pass the certification if the module is already certified itself.
As for external USB WWAN devices, my answer is no ! These devices sticks out horribly from your computer, have worse reception because of smaller antenna (yes, I can plug external one but it is not a portable solution at all) and you can easily mechanically damage your USB port when moving your notebook because the device is always there. That's why internal WWAN modules were made. A computer without Internet connection is useless for me that I need the most portable and always-ready solution.
As for importance of 4G connectivity over 3G. Most of people would prefer it because of the speed. I don't need it, 3G/HSPA+ would be enough if... But this country have very "specific" mobile data services (approximately up to 20 times more expensive and the worst 3G coverage comparing to other countries in the EU) because of massive corruption over here that established oligopoly of providers with almost zero competition. The 4G network opens a chance that a new provider could step in and break the rules but since the 4G is not backward compatible with 3G I'd need different module.