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Message 11 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

Well, Lenovo only added the NVMe drive to their online configuration tool recently so I think it's pretty safe to say the X260 does support at least their OEM version. 

 

Maybe a new X260 owner who has ordered an NVMe drive can post details on here (e.g. device details, vendor string etc)..?

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Message 12 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

Hi, folks

x260 with PCIe SSD installed is equipped by the special short PCIE SSD cable for the drive, FRU 01AW445, in contrast to another SATA cable (FRU 01AW442) for models on the same platform (MT) with SATA HDD/SSD/SSHD installed.

So, both SATA and PCIe NVMe drives are being fitted into the regular drive bay, not in the wwan slot. The latter, definitely, is for the wwan card only.

Examples of the MTMs with PCIe NVMe drive installed are 20F6008XUS, 20F6008LUS.



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Message 13 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

Superb info x220forme!!!

(as an aside I see you have an X220 too - mine will be replaced soon - I'm lusting after an X1C Heart but saw it side by side with a T460s and was surprised how similar in size they were/felt... so I might end up with one of those instead)

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Message 14 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

Ok, just to clarify:

1. To get NVMe speeds, you must connect through a PCIe bus. This requires the proper BIOS recognition and PCIe m.2 slot or a 2.5" PCIe cable?
2. You're saying the x260 SATA 3 controller is capable of having the SATA cable swapped for a PCIe cable, and can also support NVMe speed?
3. Why is this option not available in the build to order on Lenovo's site?
4. Are all x260 motherboards bus technology equal?

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Message 15 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

1, 2. Definitely, the drive bay connector isn't SATA one. Have a look at the cables for the PCIe and SATA drives, respectively:
http://support.lenovo.com/~/FileStreamer?File=%2fImages%2fParts%2f01AW445%2f1.jpg
http://support.lenovo.com/~/FileStreamer?File=%2fImages%2fParts%2f01AW442%2f3.jpg

Connector for the mobo side looks like a non standard (SATA) one. I haven't x260 schematics, but believe the drive cable connects to not the SATA controller to provide NVMe speed.

3. As I see CTO models with PCIe NVMe drives are available in the selected markets. For example, UK:
http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x260/?menu-id=thinkpad_x260#SYSTEM

4. I'd like to believe both x260 platforms (MT 20F5, 20F6) have PCIe SSD capabilities. But I'm surprised a bit - the parts lists for both platforms above don't include neither PCIe SSD cable nor the PCIe drive. At the same time models with MTM in my previous post include both parts. I can't explain these facts.



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Message 16 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

Thanks for the reply! Some valuable info you found. So basically UK models have the PCIe cable and NVMe option, but the US doesn't. I'd say the million dollar question is whether then the US model had the same motherboard and BIOS as the UK version. If it does, one would just have to contact Lenovo for a PCIe cable and buy a third party NVMe SSD. 

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Message 17 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

An interesting related question (based on x220forme's information) is, if the NVMe drive is installed in the 2.5" bay (perhaps in some kind of caddy) so what is the current maximum size drive? 1TB?!

 

 

Lenovo's UK online store is only showing 256GB:

x260_disk_options_20161019.png

 

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Message 18 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

The answer might disappoint or mislead:
the x260 parts DB doesn't list any PCIe SSD
https://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/x260_frubom_20160127.pdf

At the same time the cable for PCIe SSD is in the list:
01AW445 - SATA,for PCIE SSD

As well the SATA cable is here.

The only reason of the PCIe SSD missing in the fru_bom file I can imagine is the version outdated of that file - Jan, 27.

Anyway, x260 platform specification confirms - PCIe SSD is being supported
"SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 2, 16Gb/s (e.g. xxxG SSD PCIe NVMe)"
http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad%20X260/ThinkPad_X260_Platform_Specificatio...



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Message 19 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

Excellent work, x220forme. Thank you for taking the time to do the leg work. Extremely helpful! Since you're a moderator, does that mean you work at Lenovo? Either way, you've done great research. 

 

The summary, as I see it, is that originally (first release wave) Lenovo didn't offer the x260 with PCIe even though the motherboard supported it, then for whatever reason they decided to offer it but only in select countries. Again, some strange reason that doesn't make sense to me, considering that most other competitors offer this. I bet that if one ordered the PCIe cable, bought a third party NVMe SSD, the BIOS would pick it up. 

 

Maybe when I have some more time in a couple months I'll call tech support and try to get to a higher level technician who might know the answer. 

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Message 20 of 40

Re: X260 m2 ssd

I'm not a Lenovo employee, I'm a volunteer here.

I'm sure the distribution restriction of the x260 with PCIe SSD installed for selected markets is temporary, caused by those drives accessibility from vendors, or, there is a chance, by sertification processes in the local regulators.

Regarding the competitors: do not forget about 2.5" formfactor of the drive in the x260. I understand the reasons x260 uses 2.5" formfactor drives - the cost for the models with extra capacity HDDs/SSHDs. But it's a legacy formfactor for the ultraportable laptops, the modern one for SSDs is m.2. Massmarket offers several model of the fast PCIe m.2 SSDs, Lenovo offers ultraportable laptops with such drives at least two years - for example, X1 Carbon Gen3 (have a look at my signature).

The BIOS is similar for any x260 model.

Possible unexpected solution if you won't wait the laptop in the US shop Lenovo - use m.2 to 2.5" PCIe 3.0 x 2 adapter and appropriate m.2 drive. )



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