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pjteuben
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X270 SATA or PCIe/NVMe

I have a SATA based X270.

 

Can I still open this up and replace (or even better, add) a PCIe/NVMe drive?

 

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pjteuben
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Re: X270 SATA or PCIe/NVMe

the webpages offer two choices,  ThinkPad X270 (SATA) and ThinkPad X270 (PCIe), but it is not made clear if that also limits the inside. I would think not, but before I buy another one, would rather want to make sure I can swap out components.

pjteuben
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Re: X270 SATA or PCIe/NVMe

I'll reply to my own message:  yes, the two machine are "identical" in the sense you can add drives. Notable is that the NVMe/PCIe drive is in a slot where other things can also be used (WWAN or so), so keep that in mind that this will limit that upgrade path. But it means that you can do a fast boot via NVMe/PCIe, and add perhaps a 2TB HDD (it has to be 7mm height though). Here's the reference:

http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad%20X270/ThinkPad_X270_Platform_Specificatio...

incidentflux
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Re: X270 SATA or PCIe/NVMe

This is very confusing.

 

ThinkPad X270 Platform Specifications

http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad%20X270/ThinkPad_X270_Platform_Specificatio...

 

"System has one HDD slot or one M.2 2280 slot exclusively for storage Some: HDD / SATA 6.0Gb/s, 2.5" wide, 7mm high, Active Protection System Some: SSD / SATA 6.0Gb/s, 2.5" wide, 7mm high (e.g. xxxGB SSD) Some: M.2 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 2, 16Gb/s Some: 128GB M.2 SSD / SATA 6.0Gb/s, in WWAN slot as 2nd Storage, mutually exclusive with WWAN and WiGig"

 

Lenovo Web stores for Hong Kong and Singapore, allow dual drive configs as follow:

  • First Hard Drive : 500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm, 2.5", SATA3
  • Second Hard Drive : 128 GB Solid State Drive, SATA3

Lenovo Webstores for USA and Canada, only allow NVME (no options for second drive), as follows:

  • First Hard Drive : 256 GB Solid State Drive PCIe-NVMe OPAL2.0 - Capable

Its not clear can I add a second drive after adding an NVMe, all stores are showing either NVME (one drive) or SATA (2 drives).

 

Bottome line, is there a way to add two NVMe drives or an NVMe with a SATA SSD?

what are the fastest dual drive with solid state options?

 

 

incidentflux
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Re: X270 SATA or PCIe/NVMe

I think I figured out what's going on after checking the X270 Hardware Maintenance Manual. Even online Lenovo support reps couldn't figure this out.

A dual drive SSD config is possible as follows:

Option 1 - 500MBps/Value - SATA (AHCI)
With SATA (AHCI) cable:
1. Drive 1 in 2.5 inch bay: 2.5 inch SSD with SATA connector cable
2. Drive 2 in WWAN slot: m.2 2242 SSD (look up B or M keying)

FRUs Required: 01HW968, CRU ID:2, FRU HDD Cable for SATA HDD/SSD01HY565 CRU ID:N FRU M.2 Adapter&HDD Bracket ASM

 

Option 2 - Fastest/Pricey - m.2 (PCIe)
Or with an M.2 (PCIe) cable:
1. Drive 1 in 2.5 inch bay: m.2 NVMe (m.2 cradle inside a 2.5" caddy)
2. Drive 2 in WWAN slot: m.2 2242 SSD (look up it's B or M keying)

FRUs Required:  01HW969, CRU ID:2, - FRU HDD Cable for PCIe SSD, 01HY565 CRU ID:N FRU M.2 Adapter&HDD Bracket ASM


When ordering, the SATA or m.2 NVMe option, the cable  Lenovo provides, for m.2 nvme SSD is key to your future expansion.

 

SATA cable is provided with SATA Webstore option and m.2 cable is provided with m.2 Webstore option.

 

I think that's why its not in self service (See pages 55, 56, 77, 78 of HMM). Major FRU Part numbers 8a, 8b, 9a, 9b, 10a, 10b.

 

Too late for me now, I already ordered (yet to be delivered) with dual SATA drives, easiest way for me, will be to upgrade second 500 GB HDD to SSD later, since I don't have that m.2 cable. Or buy cable for NVMe drive.


Questions?
1. Does the WWAN slot support SATA and PCIe m.2 2242 SSD or only SATA?
2. Can I directly buy the m.2 cable (01HW969 CRU ID:2 - FRU HDD Cable for PCIe SSD)?
3. How much does Lenovo charge to only upgrade just the cable? Then we can buy any m.2 NVMe PCIe SSD of our choice.

4. Why don't Lenovo webstores allow X270s with dual drive SSD configs for X270 with NVMe? Compared to T470p.


References:

X270 Hardware Maintenance Manual
https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/x270_hmm_en_sp40j65511.pdf

 

System Service Parts - ThinkPad X270

https://support.lenovo.com/ae/en/solutions/pd104726

 

X270 FRU BOM; MT: 20HM, 20HN

https://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/x270_frubom_20170426.pdf


BUYING AN M.2 SSD? HOW TO TELL WHICH IS WHICH
https://rog.asus.com/articles/maximus-motherboards/buying-an-m-2-ssd-how-to-tell-which-is-which/

 

RIP X270
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5yxko5/rip_x270/

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Re: X270 SATA or PCIe/NVMe

Hey did you get the answer to your Q1? I am down at the path to get an M.2 PCIe, which is way cheaper for some Toshiba parts....

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