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05-26-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-08, 15:15 PM
It sounds as if everyone has the same issues with this problem.

I only noticed it when
1. unplugged and on battery power.
2.The screen will begin to quickly flicker. This flicker will repeat itself (for me every 10 minutes or so)
3. Screen will suddenly go black     
4. FN+F4 will bring it back up

I rolled back my video drivers to the 4450 version and since then it has stopped flickering and dying.

I use my lappie 80% of the time plugged in so I can't say 100% that the video driver rollback cured the issue. Taking that huge logical step I think this fixed it....
This flicker/die has NEVER happened when I am plugged in.

Thanks for the follow-up on this.

 
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06-04-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-09, 1:37 AM
Dear Mark:
 
Thank you for your interest -- I was pretty disappointed to have to send my unit in for service twice (extended warranty) and despite repairs (change in planar card, once or twice) nothing was fixed.
 
I want to emphasize that this condition NEVER happens on battery power and I don't think I do anything to trigger it, except putting the unit on battery power. The screen starts to flicker and if I keep on working long enough, the screen goes blank, only to be recovered by putting on standby.
 
Looking at the logs of ThinkVantage System Update, it seems my video driver was updated on 3/31 to 6.14.10.4926 which is the time I started to experience the problem. (I had the machine for over 1.5 yrs now). I now rolled back to 6.14.10.4860 and in the limited time I tried to use it on battery power, I never experienced (so far) the problem...
 
I hope you can replicate the problem and find out what's causing it.
 
PS: My unit is ThinkPad X60 1709-G3U.
 
Best,
 
Boragan


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06-07-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-09, 8:03 AM
Hi,

I rolled back the graphics driver to version 6.14.10.4860 dated 9/08/2007 and the troubles with the flicker and blackout went away. But a wmp stream of a game called "Haze", for example, would still not play.

I uninstalled the graphics driver, restarted the laptop and was surprised to find 1024x768@32-bit screen resolution is possible without a driver, the systray area nags about a missing driver. Now, without a driver, I am able to play a wmp clip and I am at the resolution I want.. I have a 2.16 bios.. it would be nice to have a plain driver if I have to
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04-05-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-09, 8:46 AM
Hi vy0123,
probably it would be best to open a different thread for the WMP bug - lets not mix problems within one thread.

regards dsp

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06-07-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-09, 23:03 PM
Hi dsp,

Thanks.

Staying strictly with the graphics driver issue, after removing the graphics driver, my x60 boots up in the higher resolution, the bios is displayed in a smaller space of the total screen, the progress bar load phase of xp is displayed in a smaller space, I get a full screen logon prompt, I logon and find the standby/hibernate logoff option is ghosted grey and not available, Fn+F4 does nothing. I mention this in case it can help with resolving the original flicker and blackout experience for the Lenovo techies.

It would seem the graphics driver is needed for power management so I'll have to install a driver, but not the latest one.
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11-28-2007

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-11, 12:39 PM
So far, I can't repro this, but I'm still trying.  A couple of questions so I can get all the info in one post:

What video driver version flickers?
What BIOS level?
What Power Manager version?
What power management driver version?
What Power Manager profile?

Please don't say "The latest one from System Update."  While that might be accurate now, it may not be accurate tomorrow or next week, so that's not as helpful as one may think.
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Full disclosure: Lenovo issues my paychecks.
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06-04-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-11, 13:15 PM
Here's my info:

What video driver version flickers? 6.14.10.4926
What BIOS level?  2.15-1.13  (but I also recently updated to another version -- don't know which -- and it didn't help things)
What Power Manager version? 1.30
What power management driver version?  1.44
What Power Manager profile? Power Source Optimized (but I think over time I had used others as well)

The only thing I did to "fix" the problem was to roll back the video driver to  4860...

Hope this helps.

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04-05-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-11, 13:38 PM
My X60 is a 1706-AA7

What video driver version flickers?    6.14.10.4926
What BIOS level? 2.16
What Power Manager version? 1.44 (Thinkpad PM device in Device Manager?)
What power management driver version? it lists 3:
C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ibmpmdrv.sys (1.44)
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ibmpmsvc.exe (1.44)
C:\WINDOWS\system32\tpinspm.dll (1.42)
What Power Manager profile? it didn't seem to make a difference, I used adaptive and maximum performance

You probably need to be a bit patient - it doesn't start right away to flicker, maybe you even miss the first flickering... but when the screen finally goes blank, you will see it... :smileysurprised:

Currently everything is the same level, except I rolled back my video driver to: 6.14.10.4450 (didn't have any newer)
... so with this workaround its not flickering.

dsp


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06-11-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-11, 15:17 PM
From my latest observation:

1. flickr and screen shutoff can happen only on battery, no problem on AC
2. screen shutoffs are different full screen colors (so far I had black, blue, red and white screen)
3. when wi-fi is OFF - NO screen shutoff on battery. (something related to heat? cause right side arm rest area is usually really hot while on wifi)

What is your statistics - is it screendown only on active wifi and battery?

I had all latest updates.
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06-04-2008

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Re: X60 - Screen flickers and screen shutoff - problem with power management or hardware failure?

2008-06-11, 15:47 PM
My humble opinion is that since simply rolling back the driver seems to solve the problem for many of us, this cannot be related to any hardware issue, including wi-fi being on or off...
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