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dwilt
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Message 11 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

So I guess we were just very lucky that of our thirty-five X30/X31 laptops, we only had to replace four of the batteries before retiring the computers after four to five years of regular use.

 

As for which solution I will choose, it looks like it's going to have to be replacing the batteries every year.  I have thirty-nine different users, each with their own work environment and requirements. 

Tran
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Message 12 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

I purchased an X61, not Dell, not anything else, since it was advertised as the lightest and the most long lasting power laptop, in October 2007. During last two weeks, I recognize the battery has deteriorated quickly and with a full charge it only lasted about 1 hour of normal Powerpoint viewing this morning. I intended to email Lenovo about this unexpected disappointment but I found this post and I know I am not the only one.

 

I have used the X61 almost daily without the AC adaptor until the power warning apprears then I plug in the charger. I also reset the battery gauge from time to time.

 

Could someone tell me with that usage frequency, how long the battery should last? Should I buy a proprietary battery pack or should I just buy an ebay one?

 

Thinkpad is not cheap, therefore it makes sense people expect highly equivalent value. My Dell Inspiron 9100 can even last nearly two hours, after nearly four years of extensive service.

 

I like the Thinkpad line since IBM did a really good job, in the past. However, now, there is no point to buy a laptop knowing that the battery will die after a year or so. So why Thinkpad again? There are Acer, Dell, Asus, HP, Toshiba, Sony, Fujitsu, and even MSI out there. Should I invest in another Thinkpad?

 

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Message 13 of 26

Re: X61 battery life


Tran wrote:

 

Could someone tell me with that usage frequency, how long the battery should last?


With the daily full discharge usage cycle you describe, getting ~18 months out of any Lithium Ion battery pack is a good run indeed.

 

Cheers,

 

Bill

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Tran
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Message 14 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

Thanks, Bill.

 

I shopped around Lenove website few minutes ago trying to get a new pack but there is no more battery for the X61.

I guess my next laptop should be something else to avoid being abandoned like this X61.

Message Edited by Tran on 03-25-2009 03:37 PM
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Message 15 of 26

Re: X61 battery life


Tran wrote:

 

I shopped around Lenove website few minutes ago trying to get a new pack but there is no more battery for the X61.


The batteries are there under Find compatible Batteries - ThinkPad X60 Series for your computer ... the same battery packs fit X60 and X61 models.

 

Cheers,

 

Bill

 

 

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dhung
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Message 16 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

I have been using my X61 for about 16 months now. Battery can now only hold 47% of the charge it was designed to hold. This particular battery was replaced (under warrenty) only 12 months ago.

Very disappointed with the quality.

 

My previous X30's battery is still running great and it has been 5 years. Both laptops were used during my ugrad so they have gone through roughly the same usage on a daily basis.

 

But I'm also not surprised by the poor quality of the battery, since the X60/61s that we are talking about here were purchased during the years when S___ company had some battery issues.
Message Edited by dhung on 03-27-2009 05:16 PM
Message Edited by dhung on 03-27-2009 05:17 PM
Tran
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Message 17 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

Bill, thanks for showing me the right battery pack to look at. Just wonder why Lenovo does not have a word indicating that X60 pack is infact can be used for the X61.

 

The X61 is now much cheaper than the X30 back then. I guess Thinkpad quality these days has something to do with cost cutting and this make a Thinkpad no longer a Thinkpad I knew. I used to use a very reliable X20.

Message Edited by Tran on 03-27-2009 08:42 PM
ehartanto
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Message 18 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

I have the same problem.  my x61 tablet battery not charging after about 16 months.

I am not surprised by the high qualiyt of old ibm laptop. nowadays lenovo is taken over by chinese company. so I guess they lower the battery and material quality.

even my old DELL inspiron 8100 can hold the charge for at least 4 years. of course it hold less but still hold and would not turn off if you unplugg the AC adapter!!. even then my DELL doesnt have battery power management like x61 tablet does and yet the battery perform a lot longer!!

 

I think we all should get free battery replacement which is less than 2 years. battery is not cheap it is $159 for less than 2 years.

I mean I paid for the laptop warranty itself cost me $250 plus we have to pay battery replacement every 1.5 years. I could spend all this batter money for newer laptop model. This just too much cost if u do the math.

 

I am afraid lenovo know about this thats why they offer the power management battery and battery sales to maximize their profit. Smart way to make lots of money.

They just realized X30's battery is too durable and they wouldnt make money out of the battery replacement. 

 

I believe the newer technology suppose to bring better technology and durability. but as human evolve so as the manipulation.

this is what happen now I assume they deliberately make the battery life so short so they can sell it faster and earn more revenue.

 

i am saying this because all my old computer hold charges more than 3 years!!! plus dwilt confirm that his old IBM laptop hold charges longer!. plus I didnt know all the techniques to preserve battery life but still get all 3 years.  I thought I was the only one. 

 

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Message 19 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

The life of lithium ion battery depends on the quality of material, production method and technology, storage method, discharge/charge cycle, ambient temperature/humdity, length between charge and discharge. So it is possible that some batteries last 5 years, i got an old X31 with the original battery still lasting 100 minutes between charges (5 years old). And my T60 with a 3 year old battery is still giving me 95% of original capacity after 140 charge cycles. 
Regards,

Jin Li

May this year, be the year of 'DO'!

I am a volunteer, and not a paid staff of Lenovo or Microsoft
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Message 20 of 26

Re: X61 battery life

With the newer Lithium ion batteries, once the battery deterioriate it does not do so in a linear fashion, but more like instantaneous failure.

 

Batteries is no longer a high tech piece of component that it once was, and the production cost for the battery cells have came down dramatically, so much so it is no longer the domain of big electronic players, production technology have filtered down and many small factories can produce them with little capital investment, but obviously you get what you pay for with these generic lithium ion battery cells.

 

Currently, most of the major players in battery production are from Japan, Panasonic, Sony and Sanyo mainly, whom compete with each other on prices and therefore production costs, inevitably quality also suffers. Lithium ion cell nowadays are seen as commodities, you can buy a single cell for around 6 dollars USD. 

 

Every laptop companies use battery cells from these manufacturers, and therefore suffers the same sort of problem, if you dig around the net. Sony and Sanyo lost lot of money through compensating manufacturers for producing defective cells that either overheated or deteriotriated quickly (as in your X61 cells), but now most of these problem have been rectified.

 

Hopefully, the battery manufacturers practice the Six Sigma system. 

Regards,

Jin Li

May this year, be the year of 'DO'!

I am a volunteer, and not a paid staff of Lenovo or Microsoft

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