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Difference between D30 models: 4223, 4228, 4229

2016-07-15, 1:29 AM

Sorry for the newbie question, but what is the main difference between these models?

4223

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4229

 

Seems most people have the 4223.

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Re: Difference between D30 models: 4223, 4228, 4229

2016-07-15, 2:36 AM

They're all the same in terms of hardware. The difference is how they're built, the components they're configured with and the warranty entitlements.

 

Most 4223 systems are TopSeller and CTO (Configured to Order) systems with standard 3YR On-site warranties. TopSellers are systems pre-configured with the most popular component groups, then made in bulk to help drive the price down. They're typically sold through major resellers. CTO systems are available only on lenovo.com and are made how you want.

 

4228/4229 systems are usually pre-configured models containing either less-popular configs or ones that are typically more expensive. Warranty is still usually 3YR+OS here in the US since that's standard for ThinkStation. If it were a ThinkPad then the warranty might be Depot for the above and On-site for other models. You'll also see systems ordered through Special Bids with 4228/4229 machine types. These are like CTO but built either in a non-standard config or ordered with a special config and in bulk for an organization.

 

A later platform refresh brought on the 4353/4354 MTMs where component support and system boards changed. 4354s were typically TopSeller/CTO and 4353s were Pre-configured/SB/Refurb/etc.

 

I'm sure a much longer answer could be given here. The details get pretty boring though. ;)

 

(Edit: corrected typo)

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Re: Difference between D30 models: 4223, 4228, 4229

2016-07-15, 20:55 PM

Type 4353 and Type 4354 -??

These have "separate" BIOS updates in the download section compared to the 4223,4228,4229

 

Are these the ones that can make use of the IVB Chips? (V2).

 

Can we use the IVB chips in the 4223? I know this was dicsussed in 2013, but has a microcode update been developed to allow the former machine types to use IVB CPUs?

 

 

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Re: Difference between D30 models: 4223, 4228, 4229

2016-07-15, 21:04 PM

Yes, the 4353/4354 MTs can use v2 CPUs and were updated to have USB3 available on the front panel.

 

No, the earlier models still aren't able to run v2 CPUs. Unfortunately I don't see this changing since development has long passed. It would require more time than it's worth (and I don't mean that to be harsh) to qualify and support the newer CPUs on the 4223/4228/4229 systems. It's a cost:benefit balance more than anything. About the only way to change that is if a large customer requested it, and at this point that chance is slim to none. Most who need faster CPUs have also upgraded to P-series systems due to v3/v4 CPUs and PCIe+NVMe support.

 

I wish I had better news for you here.

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Re: Difference between D30 models: 4223, 4228, 4229

2016-07-15, 21:15 PM

I'll do a side-by-side comparison of the two BIOS files, AMI UEFI BIOS (X79/C602 chipset) with AMI tools and I'll try and snoop into what exactly has changed between the two MT classes.

 

I'm expecting to find a microcode update. Maybe a different Intel Management Engine Firmware as well.

Should be interesting...

 

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2016-07-15, 21:17 PM

Both the CPU microcode and ME revision were updated.

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