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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-04, 21:39 PM

dutchice, you are so right: 'Lenovo Thinkstations, are not Asus laptops.' this is why when i could finally almost afford one (ihad to make configuration sacrifices at purchase time - my ideal setup was 2x the machine i could afford ven on the ATX form factor!). i always coveted the IBMs of others, from Intellistations to ThinkPads and have yet to manage to have my own ThinkPad...someday

 

as i mentioned in the reply to erik, a card swap at this point is out of the question. i would have to either ship it back to the US or have it laying around the house unused. i'll look into the GTX285 here in Viet Nam but the MSRP was still in force on the Q2000 when i looked into buying it here - likely the same with the GTX285. so i'll try the 4x slot for now. and i'll do some motherboard research. a quick "buy in VN" check shows nothing for the older motherboards, though i found a new one on ebay.

 

i really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience and encouraging me to continue to look for long-term solutions to keeping my old faithful S10 operational for as long as possible. Maybe, as good as the Box is, i need to think outside the Box a bit more. :smileysurprised:

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-17, 12:14 PM

last night i tested both a Q2000 and Q2000D in an S10 and it POSTed without issue.   installed were only the Q2000 (or Q2000D), core 2 duo E6550, 2 x 512MB UDIMMs, and an SSD.   the BIOS saw each card and no errors were thrown.   BIOS revision was 12A, which is pre-production, so i'll try 47A this week if i get time.

 

in the meantime, i'd recommend pulling everything out of your S10 and trying an absolute bare-bones setup.

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-17, 13:02 PM

erik, much appreciated for your bulldog dedication to the cause: i'll go for eternal optimism and operate on the light not a train at the end of the tunnel premise at this point

 

can't tear down for a cpl days yet, have a contract deadline to meet but by Thursday my time i'll be able to - will make sure i clean all the nVidia driver crud out of everything/everywhere and load up with a cloned OS HDD

 

quick ?s for prep:

- pull all bits and uninstall all drivers, or just pull?

- 4x2 GB of RAM installed: should i just put 1 stick back in or pair up?

- OS is on a 750 GB WD, but i have the original 250 GB Hitachi: should i clone to the smaller HDD?

 

quick ?s in case all goes well and you're back on the road:

- add stuff back in one unit at a time?

- any suggested sequence (PCI USB 3 controller, PCI USB 2/1394, both NEC; PCIe USB 3 controller/card reader, VIA)?

 

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-17, 14:11 PM

sorry - pull meant just pulling all physical devices.   you can even pull the HDD if you want since that loads after POST.   you'll just get a message saying no OS was found.   try it with just a CPU, memory, and the Q2000.

 

if it POSTs with only a few items installed then add the HDD and boot into windows.   if that works then reinstall each add-on card by itself to see if anything changes.

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-17, 16:22 PM

gotcha erik - just the bones :smileywink:

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-19, 17:07 PM

ok, i got it to break.   the system i tested had BIOS 12A on it and both cards worked.   upgrading to 47A gave the one long/two short beep code for video.   so, something changed with video memory addresses between pre-production and ship-level.

 

the interim workaround is to install the Q2000 in the blue PCIe 4x slot.   some bandwidth will be lost but at least the card will function.

 

if i get some free time, i'll check the changelogs on ship-level BIOSes to see if there's an older version with more address space.   no promises though.   and, unfortunately i can't send you a pre-pro BIOS since they're internal only and would brick your system anyway by downleveling that far.

 

will update if i learn anything.

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-19, 23:23 PM

as always your dedication to the cause much appreciated, erk, and i'll follow your and dutchice advice with a 4x slot install

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-29, 13:28 PM

The change log Erik mentions, can be found here.

 

The initial production BIOS revision (ship-level) has been the 25A on the S10. It won't surprise me that the various changes to the BIOS revisions between 25A and the latest 47A has been to blame for the problem.

 

Obviously I presume Erik has a very busy day to day agenda. So I suggest Bo, you have to spend some time to run some tests, and post back the results.

 

What I would recommend to do is to download all the S10 BIOS revisions (39A-45A) which are still currently available on the lenovo download domain (originally from the ftp), to be found in a post by Erik in 2009 here. Then in reverse order, starting from 45A;

 

  1. Have only your 4x2GB RAM, CD-ROM drive, plus the Q2000 on slot 1 installed, (so forget all about windows & drivers)
  2. Enter your BIOS, set everything to Default values from the far right tab (obviously you'll need to plug in your keyboard here, but then pull it out when finished)
  3. flash your BIOS using the CD-ROM drive
  4. reboot and wait to see if the system posts successfully, if not;
  5. cut the power, replace the Q2000 from slot 1 to slot 2, boot for POST
  6. still no successful post? Then replace the Q2000 back to slot 1 and start all over from step 3, only this time using an earlier revision.

Run this cycle up until LIGHTENING STRIKES and your S10 posts, or until you run out of BIOS revisions. Cause only then, we will need to ask for help here, to see if anyone can provide the S10 BIOS revisions 25A to 38A.

 

My personal feeling is that revision 43A will be the silver bullet.

 

Good luck Bo!

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-30, 7:17 AM

Dutchice,

 

Thx much for posting this. Soon as I have sufficient downtime (t6he S10 is my only work machine) I will run through the previous BIOS as per your suggestion. Since you have a silver bullet 'hunch' about 43A, I'm curious as to why.

 

One question: in step 1 you say 'forget about windows and drivers' - I take you to mean remove the OS HDD. Is that correct? OR do you mean uninstall the OS and drivers? I could load in a zeroed HDD - but for me a clean install of Windows is not a very elegant solution, since I have legitimate installs of expensive programs I no longer have the original install discs for...

 

And of course, once I find or do not find a soultion through this protopcol I will post back :smileywink:

 

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Re: S10 642327A | internal upgrades (part 4): sequencing installation of internal upgrades

2012-07-30, 8:59 AM

I meant you don't need to change or touch anything on your hard disks (whether they contain your windows OS or just DATA), simply disconnect the power and sata cables from all disks. Not that having any of the HDD's connected might ruin the tests results, but simply because it is safer for all your precious drives not to be involved while you will be running the cycle of cutting power, rebooting, flashing and so on.

 

Also very important is to pull out all other PCI or PCI-e cards which you might have installed in any of the remaining slots (leave all slots empty except for the Q2000 in slot 1, and your monitor cable hooked to the card's DVI1 or DP1 output). In contrast to the reason for the HDD's, these add-on cards might very well influence the result of the tests. So leave all sorts of cards away.

 

You must disconnect all peripheral USB, IEEE1394, serial, printer and PS2 (mouse & keyboard) devices from the front and rear panel of the system as well.

 

Having all the BIOS revisions burnt on CDs before-hand, might be handy or if you prefer not to waist that many CDs, having a laptop and a single CD-RW to burn multiple revisions once at a time on the same CD for testing might come in handy as well.

 

It's that easy really. The aim is not to hear the VGA error beeps at post.

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