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ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-15, 6:14 AM

Hi,

 

I have an S30, model 4351, that I would like to upgrade the RAID in, but I am unsure what RAID adpaters might work in it. I can get a hold of several different types of cars, including a ThinkServer RAID 700, a ServeRaid M5015, or a M5016. I can't seem to find if these will work properly in the S30, nor if there are Windows 10 drivers for them. The only adapters that I saw "documented" as an option for the S30 were LSI SAS 9240-8i: and an LSI SAS 9260-8i. I beleive the above three are all 9260 based, does that mean they will work? I am looking for a SATA3, 8 port adapter than can do RAID 5, and will run under Win10. I already have an 1TB SSD as my main drive and now I want to add four 6TB drives in RAID5. I am not interested in ising the onboard RAID and being limted to 3 drives SATA2 speeds. I have replaced the media card readers with a 2x2.5" drive caddy, and inserted a 3x3.5" drive cage in the two 5.25" drive bays.

 

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Ian.

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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-18, 8:35 AM

The correct FRUs on that PDF are as follows:

03T6554 = 9260-8i

03T6739 = 9240-8i

 

Both of these were qualified with the S30 and are fully compatible. Note that you'll also need an SFF-8087 to SATA or SAS breakout cable to complete the card. FRUs typically only include one part unless they're specifically built as a larger kit.

 

It looks like there are a ton of the above two FRUs available online, especially eBay. I'm not sure if any standard resellers still stock these parts.

 

Regarding EOL, probably the best place to find approximate EOL info would be psref.lenovo.com. The S30 was sold from late 2010 through 2013 or 2014, but if memory serves development ended in 2013. Warranty support can be anywhere between 1 to 5 years from purchase, but that only covers warranty and not new parts/OS qualifications. Windows 7 and 8 were the last OSes to be qualified during S/C/D30-series development.

 

Did you purchase your 4351-C10 through a retail reseller or the Lenovo outlet? Or, is the "C10" actually CTO? I'm mainly curious from a warranty/EOL standpoint.

 

Regarding the support lifecycle, well, that's a tricky one since warranty support might sunset on a platform but you can ask us here on the forum and we'll try to answer what we can based on whatever fuzzy memory we have left in our systems. :D

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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-15, 14:18 PM

Greetings IanBD!

 

Supported solutions for RAID-5 on your system are the 9260-8i or the 9240-8i with the RAID-5 upgrade key.

 

Server and Workstation IO cards may be based on the same hardware, but they generally have different firmware and feature/sets.  For best support/compatibility, you will want to use the recommended FRU/CRU/Part Numbers for your machine, rather than repurpose cards from other platforms/vendors.

 

Although you're working with an older withdrawn platform that I believe only officially supported Windows 7 and 8 during its lifecycle, I have run the Win10 creator's edition on some of this hardware and it appeared to be completely functional.  I don't recall specifically which RAID card I was testing with at the time, but it does appear there are drivers available on the web for both of those storage cards for Win10.

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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-16, 2:52 AM
Thanks for the reply, but I am still a bit confused. Is the recommended product an actual LSI MegaRaid branded 9260-8i? I could not find what the recommended IBM adapter is, but found the previously listed adapters, which were based on the 9260 controller. I would very much like something like the RAID 700 or the M5016 but is specific to the S/C/D 30 series Thinkstations. The only thing I could find with a part Number or FRU was this link: https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/solutions/HT075585 however it states the 9260-8i is not supported on the S30. Yet, when looking at the spec sheet for the S30 found here: http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/withdraw/S30.pdf it shows that both the 9240 and 9260 are options.

As well, I should note that according to Lenovo's "Windows 10 Upgrade July 2015 / Version 1507 - Supported System List", my S30 is supported as it has a E5 v2 Xeon.
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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-16, 3:54 AM

Regarding Win 10, what was referring to is that the S30 was only qualified with Windows 7 and 8 during development. Windows 10 was released after the S30 went EOL, putting support for 10 entirely on Microsoft. If you have an issue with 10 we can certainly try to help but can only guarantee full support from Lenovo when using Win 7 or 8.

 

Regarding the RAID adapter, the answer is similar but for a different reason. RAID adapters are qualified — as in, tested thoroughly during development for bugs and interoperability — with systems and worked through both the development team and hardware vendor to tweak firmware to both work with a specific ThinkStation platform and be as bug-free as possible. When bugs arise, the firmware gets tweaked. In the end it becomes a firmware that will certainly work on most systems but work best on the system for which it's designed.

 

In this case, the suggestion of using a specific CRU/FRU part is to guarantee said interoperability with your S30. While an IBM ServeRAID card will likely work well, there might be bugs that we don't know about. For any of the engineers here on the forum to sign off on a card, we'd have to know with absolute certainty that no bugs will arise. Unfortunately that limits us to saying that a RAID card CRU/FRU part for the S30 will work and anything else might work. "Might" being the keyword here.

 

We aren't intentionally being flip or evasive, we're simply trying to give you solid advice based on decades of combined experience.

 

Now, with that said... sure, most 9260-8i units should work in your system. The best firmware will of course be what's on the original S30 version. There's likely no gain in getting an IBM version since it would have the same firmware situation as described above, but in their case tweaked for a specific IBM server rather than a ThinkStation.

 

Hopefully that clears things up a bit. If not, ask away.

 

Edited because typos happen when typing quickly.

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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-16, 10:59 AM
Thanks for the clarification. I guess what I was trying to ask is, which cards will work, or, where can I find the Part Numbers\FRUs of the RAID adapter cards that do run in a S30 4351.
With further searching of your site, I did mange to find this doc: https://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkCentre/s30_2531_fru_parts_1222016.pdf

In this doc, it lists the 03x3744 FRU as the supported adapter card, and googling reveals that that is in fact the FRU for the RAID 700 card. It also lists the 03x3617 FRU, which I believe is also a RAID 700 card? My specific system is a 4351-C10. Can I use either of these cards, or is there a reason they are different FRUs?

Also, as a follow up to something you said, where can I find the EOL listings for products. My system was originally purchase in July 2014, and was still under warranty until the first of this month. Significantly after Windows 10 was released. I guess I had wrongly assumed that was the same as still within the support life cycle.

Thanks,

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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-18, 8:35 AM

The correct FRUs on that PDF are as follows:

03T6554 = 9260-8i

03T6739 = 9240-8i

 

Both of these were qualified with the S30 and are fully compatible. Note that you'll also need an SFF-8087 to SATA or SAS breakout cable to complete the card. FRUs typically only include one part unless they're specifically built as a larger kit.

 

It looks like there are a ton of the above two FRUs available online, especially eBay. I'm not sure if any standard resellers still stock these parts.

 

Regarding EOL, probably the best place to find approximate EOL info would be psref.lenovo.com. The S30 was sold from late 2010 through 2013 or 2014, but if memory serves development ended in 2013. Warranty support can be anywhere between 1 to 5 years from purchase, but that only covers warranty and not new parts/OS qualifications. Windows 7 and 8 were the last OSes to be qualified during S/C/D30-series development.

 

Did you purchase your 4351-C10 through a retail reseller or the Lenovo outlet? Or, is the "C10" actually CTO? I'm mainly curious from a warranty/EOL standpoint.

 

Regarding the support lifecycle, well, that's a tricky one since warranty support might sunset on a platform but you can ask us here on the forum and we'll try to answer what we can based on whatever fuzzy memory we have left in our systems. :D

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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-19, 2:51 AM
Thanks for your help. I have ordered the card and the two mini-SAS 8087 to SATA breakout cables.
I bought the workstation used from a business, and I don't know where they originally got it from. Typing in the Serial number to the support website, it showed me the warranty info, start date of 2014-07-19 and end date of 2017-09-01. I guess they sold it because the warranty was expiring. It has a Windows 7 Pro license, but i do wonder, given the purchase date, why it wasn't a Windows 8.0 or 8.1 downgraded to 7. Initially there were a few driver issues, but the Lenovo System Update downloaded numerous drivers, and resolved all the issues. : )
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Re: ServeRaid or ThinkServer RAID 700 in a S30 (4351)

2017-09-19, 16:00 PM

Ok, that makes sense. Your system would have been a custom build for a company, likely produced in bulk — which could be anywhere from 10 to 10,000 units, really. They probably spec'd them with Win 7. The downgrade path wouldn't be necessary with a custom order. Plus, Win 8/8.1 had a very low attach rate in business, especially those dealing with CAD and DCC. Win 10 is finally gaining the market traction that 8/8.1 never had.

 

On your warranty, you can purchase an extended warranty post expiration. The support site should have more info if you're interested.

 

Anyway, glad you were able to find the FRU you needed. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask us. Enjoy your new (to you) S30!

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