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Re: competition

2012-05-24, 17:10 PM

Here's what the X230 will have to compete against:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5843/asus-zenbook-prime-ux21a-review

 

 

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-24, 22:19 PM

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How about the side of the market that has been using the classic keyboard layout and mechanics for over a decade?

 

However, there is no excuse for the layout change.  Every key in the classic layout has evolved to where it is for a reason.  After over a decade of small changes (evolution), they have dumped the whole thing for what the rest of the market has.

 

If they just want to sell out, fine.  But please don't try to sell me this 'it's better' crap.  It's not.  it's a HUGE step backwards, and when the dust settles there is nothing distinguishing about a Thinkpad anymore.


I've been using the old layout for more than I decade, and I prefer the new layout, just having used it briefly on an Edge for a couple of weeks. It's certainly not a "huge step backwards" for me. I understand that some may use the 'system request" and "break key", but I'm not writing ascii code and I just don't have any use for those keys. They do nothing but add clutter and make it harder for me to type blind on the top row. To each his own, but I prefer the new layout, even though I'm currently on an X220.

 

As far as it not being distinguished between other brands, well....I don't the keyboard to be different just for the same of being different. It's like those complaining about the backlighting because it's found on other brands and it was popularized by Apple. So what? I backlit keyboard simply makes sense for most people. Just because IBM didn't invent it, doesn't mean it's a bad thing...

 

I still have yet to see any other consumer or business notebooks which are as pleasant to type on as the Thinkpads, and the build quality seems better than most other available alternatives, which is why I've stayed with the brand despite some rocky experiences.

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-24, 22:28 PM

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It's just for profit, now Lenovo gets to use the same chiclet keyboard and layout as the rest of their laptops.  It isn't a very good idea, I think most of us would be willing to pay extra to have the classic keyboard.  The ThinkPad has always been a premium product, there is no sense in throwing a consumer grade keyboard on it.


why do you think it's just for profit? Seems to me that continuing to use a keyboard that's already been in production would be the cheapest alternative. I don't really see why the mfg costs would be way less on the island-style keyboard, either. Secondly, it doesn't appear that the Edge and T-series actually use the same keyboard, so I'm not sure the argument holds water  that this is an attempt to consolidate part numbers.

 

Maybe this is about nothing except cutting costs, and I'm as cynical as the next guy. But maybe they were just trying to improve the product, and make it more relevant to how people use computers today?

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-25, 0:54 AM

I have nothing against backlit keyboards.  But this concept that a backlit keyboard must be a chiclet keyboard, makes no physical sense.

 

We've been through this before; even ignoring all the arguments made by both sides: the statistical probability of this new chiclet keyboard being a 'Eureka' moment in keyboard design, and yet happens to look exactly like everything else on the market, is incredibly low.  It is more likely this is an attempt to cash in on trends and /or cut costs.

 

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-25, 2:04 AM

The big loss here isn't the keyboard... for me, is the PROCESSOR, the max resolution/screen size, not even Nvidia Optimus tech.

 

Processor leaked i7 Ivy Bridge is tragic... isn't far AT ALL from the i7 Sandy Bridge 2640m, the cache still the same and the boost on speed is 100Mhz! Most of the settings are the same and the HD 4000 doesn't seem to be a big attractive at all. Ah yes, no quad version... at least, let's hope YET. Even cellphones are getting quad.

 

The screen size must be a joke... 12.5 is terrible for the tablet convertible version, the max resolution is terrible (is unbelieveable worse than many tablets!) and for an FULL HD age, this is unacceptable!

 

Relying on onboard graphics nowdays is also unacceptable... once again, CELLPHONES are getting a lot of 3D power, and this piece of art ISN'T. Not even an Optimus! Come on Lenovo... selling outdated "high-end" laptops for pro people that loses on crutial areas to dedicated tablets??? Tch... gonna hold my x220t until the x240t... and hopefully, the SCREEN will have a better digitizer acurracy with gorilla multi touch glass. 

 

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-25, 4:43 AM
@Azfargh,

Lenovo don't produce the CPU processors, so you got to talk to the Intel people for that.

So what size screen is great for tablet convertible?

Do you know the difference between ARM architecture and x86 architecture? They are entirely different, and you can't compare the two. Just as you are not going to see ARM architecture be used in supercomputing or servers either.

Each of them serve a different market.

Regarding the discrete graphics card on the mobile phone and android tablet, don't let the marketing nomenclature fool you.
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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-25, 6:07 AM

wrote:

why do you think it's just for profit? Seems to me that continuing to use a keyboard that's already been in production would be the cheapest alternative. I don't really see why the mfg costs would be way less on the island-style keyboard, either. Secondly, it doesn't appear that the Edge and T-series actually use the same keyboard, so I'm not sure the argument holds water  that this is an attempt to consolidate part numbers.

 

Maybe this is about nothing except cutting costs, and I'm as cynical as the next guy. But maybe they were just trying to improve the product, and make it more relevant to how people use computers today?


They go from producing a set of laptops (ideapad, essential) with accutype keyboards and another set of laptops (thinkpad) with the classic style, to all laptops with accutype style.  

 

Are you saying these two keyboards don't resemble each other at all?

 

edge:

 

thinkpad:

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-25, 9:59 AM

dratun schrieb:
"They go from producing a set of laptops (ideapad, essential) with accutype keyboards and another set of laptops (thinkpad) with the classic style, to all laptops with accutype style.  

 

Are you saying these two keyboards don't resemble each other at all?"

 

No, they are different, take a look at the top row and you will see. The edge also hasn´t the serperate volume keys and the ThinkVantage button as the the normal ThinkPads.

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-25, 13:47 PM

Different key caps on the same physical keyboard.   The volume / thinkvantage button are not the keyboard.

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-25, 17:17 PM

The Edges have no pipes for spilling water, the ThinkPads have them, the Edges have glossy plastic between the keys, meanwhile the ThinkPads have matte plastics. And the Edges have no internal backlighting and other mechanics under the keys (cheaper ones). The Prescision  keyboard has also a more solid backlight like the X1 keyboard, wehter the Edge has a more cheaper and lighter backplate. It is more than just the keycaps. ;)

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