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2012-05-26, 6:00 AM

I wouldn't even go so far as to say they are even changing the keycaps.  It is fairly obvious that the pcb behind both of these keyboards is exactly the same based on the layout.  There has already been backlighting in the IdeaPad series, and the Edge keyboards do have spill resistance.  Maybe the ThinkPad keyboard is "premium" in the sense that it combines the best features of the cheap keyboards!

 

Lenovo thinks they can keep the masses happy by giving us a backlit consumer grade keyboard and telling us how it is an "improvement", while discontinuing the best laptop keyboard in the industry.  I think it will probably work, but none of those extra profits will come from me.

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-26, 9:46 AM

@dratun,

no, you are wrong. The Edge Keyboard is not spill resistant. It lacks the pipes of the normal ThinkPads. The water will stay in the keyboard in an Edge, while it will flood out through these pipes in a normal ThinkPad.

 

It seems you have never tipped on a X1 keyboard. Else you would know that the feeling of the new keyboard is very similar to the old one. The Edge Keyboard has another keyboard. It is not the same, although the layout seems to be very similar. Read the reviews of the X1 and the first looks of the X230 and you will see that the reviewers are with me. And so are many other people, which tipped on a X1. The most people who complaning about the new keyboard do this because of the layout, not because it is Chiclet.  

 

And the new keyboard isn´t cheap. A X1 keyboard costs about 70 $ and a normal keyboard about 30 $ (here in Europe its X1 80 € and the old 7-row 40 €) .

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-26, 16:39 PM
"Else you would know that the feeling of the new keyboard is very similar to the old one."

You are making our point. Why change it and make it feel like the old one. We want the Thinkpad keyboard. Nota macbook look alike that 'feels' like the old one.

They could've made the classic keyboard backlit, fix the flex on the 15" machines and that woul've been excellent.
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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-26, 18:22 PM

So many complaints about the new keyboard from people who have never tried it. I haven't tried it either, but at least I'll wait until I do before I condemn it.

 

I'll say this much. There are now multiple hands-on reviews of the X230 (including on this forum), from reviewers who own or are very familiar with the classic keyboard. Their conclusion about the new keyboard has been very consistent -- they like it (some even prefer it). Not everybody is going to feel that way, but it is clearly not a disaster as some are claiming.

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-26, 18:51 PM
> conclusion about the new keyboard has been very consistent -- they like it

3 most seen complaints (beside of keycaps and keys redesign):

1) PgUp / PgDn placement and missing Back/Forward buttons
2) Not a blue enter key as old thinkpads. This is just an aestethical point of view, but traditional blue key costs almost nothing, no keyboard layout redesign neccessary, so why change it?
3) Back to small ESC key

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-26, 19:07 PM

@werewolf,

2): A black Enter key is more pure and simple. Older ThinkPads had a black Enter-key too, and I think tis design more beautiful. The first ThinkPad with a blue Enter-key was the T30. So you can say "Back to the roots"

 

3): It is not soo small.  In fact it is larger than the other F-keys.

 

@RichardW,

absolutly right :smileyhappy: 

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-26, 20:17 PM
"So many complaints about the new keyboard from people who have never tried it. I haven't tried it either,"

First of all, we know we like the Thinkpad keyboard. We don't need to try it to know that. Second anyone who has used any laptop including macbooks from recent times has used the layout. I have several machines with the same friggin layout and I prefer the classic Thinkpad layout by far. I am no Thinkpad fanatic. I think the MacBook pros are built much better than Thinkpads. However the Thinkpad keyboard is better in my opinion.

There are things that Lenovo can improve, like:
-Build quality
-Buzzing speakers with on-board graphics
-Quality control that doesn't send laptops out with scratches and pieces of plastic stuck under keys.
-Up to date screen resolutions
-Adequate thermal design for Xtreme version of intel CPUs

Instead they chose to muck with the one feature that sets this line apart from everything else.
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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-27, 1:44 AM

dratun wrote:

 

Lenovo thinks they can keep the masses happy by giving us a backlit consumer grade keyboard and telling us how it is an "improvement", while discontinuing the best laptop keyboard in the industry.  I think it will probably work, but none of those extra profits will come from me.


You've summed up the feelings of many in these couple of sentences. Thank you.

Cheers,

George




In daily use: R60F, R500F, T61, T410

Collecting dust: T60

Enjoying retirement: A31p, T42p,

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Re: X230 picture

2012-05-28, 8:14 AM

What did you do to ThinkPad????

 

I want the lost one row of keys back.

 

If there's any option for 7 rows keyboad with additional cost,

I don't care. I'll pick that one.

 

 

In the next series, maybe x240 or x250, why don't you get rid of the RED TRACK POINT.

It's very expensive, I guess.

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Re: X230 picture

2012-06-06, 3:34 AM

The X230 is now available to order on the Lenovo website, and shipping in about a week: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=42D5009B1EABB377BFC4965EE083D306&action=init

 

The spec sheet is still not available yet! However, if you go through the custom configurator, it lists all the same information that has been posted here and in reviews. The display is only offered in 1366x768 resolution.

 

The X220 is still available on the website.

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