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Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-08, 8:10 AM
I really like the Y510 for the features built into the unit.  Big screen, veriface and built-in webcam.  My main goal in my next laptop was security, and most anything with a fingerprint reader was pricey.
 
The things to like about the Y510
  • Veriface
  • web cam
  • 2 GB of RAM out the box
  • Keyboard is nice

Things to absolutely hate about the Y510

  • C: partition.  This is an absolute deal breaker and may have me ditch this computer altogether.  My last computer was a Compaq (AMD Turion was worthless) with the recovery in the D partition.  I've never had to do a recovery in the 1.5 years I owned it.  Backing up was so easy because everything was in my profile.  Now, the 22 GB of profile I want to bring over have to reside on D.  Every shortcut in Vista points to C.  And since I just tried to redirect Documents to D, my profile has now disappeared completely from c://users/userx.  And changing the location of folders for shortcuts from the start menu doesn't propagate across the entire system.  Shortcuts in folders for pictures for instance, now want to delete themselves because the shortcut is no longer valid.  Very frustrating, and appears as though someone didn't think this through
  • No password for Novo button is inexcusable.  This is counter to any security model one could think of.  Turn-off computer, NOVO, setup new administrator, browse D and steal company secrets of laptop user.
  • No BIOS support for 4 GB of RAM.  As if Vista wasn't enough of a pig, we can't even spend money to help it out.
  • No Bluetooth option
  • Vista is a pig, nice pig, but pig nonetheless

I should've bought a Macbook and just ran bootcamp.  2.1 mhz Core2Duo base model out of the box, supports 4GB, 64 bit OS, video is much clearer for some reason, and probably the best screen you can find.

Just some healthy feedback for Lenovo.  Please study what Apple did with the power adapter, it is awesome.  And at least put a rubber strap on the big clunky power supply, it turns into a rat's nest in your bag, unlike the Apple unit.

A magnetic screen latch would've been great as well.  And not having Bluetooth as even an option makes your owners feel like second class consumers, considering that the basemodel Apple has it standard.

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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-08, 14:13 PM
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And at least put a rubber strap on the big clunky power supply, it turns into a rat's nest in your bag, unlike the Apple unit.
 
Welcome to the forum!
 
That seems odd.  I've seen the Y510 but didn't pay any attention to the power supply.  Is there not a velcro strap on the cord to use to coil it up neatly like the one pictured at Moore’s Law and Grey Velcro?  If not, shame on Lenovo for omitting it.  Home Depot or AutoZone has a good substitute in little packages of 5 or 6 already cut to the right size with a hole punched at one end.

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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-08, 17:15 PM
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No password for Novo button is inexcusable.  This is counter to any security model one could think of.  Turn-off computer, NOVO, setup new administrator, browse D and steal company secrets of laptop user.
 
I'm confused.  Does the NOVO button bypass a HDD password?

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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-08, 17:25 PM
BIOS supports 4GB Ram.
I've tried it. But 32 bit OS can only see 3GB.
It's the OS fault, not BIOS.

and in my country, Y510 comes with built-in Bluetooth + GF8600M GT

I agree with NOVO button password.
That's why I wiped out the entire HDD and install new OS.
This way, NOVO button acts like power on.


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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-09, 6:10 AM
Here's what I had to do to remap the size heavy folders:
 
I just remapped all of the major documents that will take up space on my Y510.
 
The lesson learned here is that if you want to remap the "Documents" folder for instance onto the D: drive, you will need to first create a folder that the "Documents" link will take over.  Otherwise, your documents will simply map to D: directly.  You don't even have to rename it, simply create a new folder and move all items to it.  Right click what you want to remap, select properties, and then click on the tab "Location."
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-09, 23:11 PM
It sounds like most of your problems would be solved by erasing the hard drive, including the restoration partition, and installing Windows XP. The Y510 is one of only a few new computers that have a full suite of XP drivers available from its manufacturer.

That would get rid of Vista, would disable the Novo restoration, and set the partitioning of the hard dive however you like.

The lack of 4GB ram support should only be an XP problem - did you actually install 4GB and find Vista not recognizing it?

The lack of bluetooth is an annoyance, but I haven't given up hope that there's an internal module that can be installed into the american Y510's, since the overseas units seem to have it. You could also just get a mini-USB bluetooth adapter, which is small enough to ALWAYS leave connected to a USB port. Check out Kensington's at http://us.kensington.com/html/14409.html

I'm not saying the Y510 isn't without annoyances, but the more I use this little computer, the more I am amazed by it, especially when considering its price.

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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-10, 22:28 PM
I agree with Wernst that, for the money, this machine rocks.  I'm starting to get hooked on Vista's networking links and profile access.  It is actually making me more productive.
 
The 4 GB limit is due to a 32-bit OS, I believe.  Which is why the Macs can run 4 GB since they use a 64-bit os.
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-11, 8:02 AM
Veriface is a really useful application.  Nothing beats not having to type in your password whenever you come out of sleep, or time out.
 
But can the design team please look at putting the ctrl key in the bottom right hand corner instead of FN since it is used so frequently.  Also, Home and End are very handy and having to hit FN to use them makes then not so handy.
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-11, 20:14 PM
Boostedone,
 


boostedone wrote:
No password for Novo button is inexcusable.  This is counter to any security model one could think of.  Turn-off computer, NOVO, setup new administrator, browse D and steal company secrets of laptop user.

So, I checked on this since you had a really good point.   Here was the advice I got back from our product team on enabling the security features in BIOS to close this exposure.
 

It is possible to set up a password requirement for the Novo key.

This can be done by setting up a User Password in the system BIOS. This will require the user to enter a password each time the system is booted, either through the normal process, or via the Novo key.  The password will also need to be entered when the system is resumes from Hibernate status.

There is also the option in BIOS to set up hard disk password to protect the disk from being read on a second computer. On the 510 and 710 you can set separate Master and User HDD passwords.

With the System password set and enabled each time the system performs a cold boot, or resumes from hibernate, or the user presses the Novo key, the user will need to enter the System User password.

With the HDD password set, when the hard drive is first accessed from a cold boot or a resume from hibernate, or the user presses the Novo key, the user will have to enter the HDD password. This is in addition to any system password that has been set.

If the user does not set up the System or HDD passwords then yes, it is possible to force the system to shutdown, press the Novo key, restore the system, and set up a new user/administrator ID. Any data that was on the C: partition will be lost. Any information on the D: partition will still be there and accessible unless it was encrypted by the original owner.


So, hopefully this will help you secure your system.
 
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-11, 21:43 PM
This is great information Mark, thank you for uncovering the detail.
 
Now, if all of those options are too cumbersome for daily use.  Can the team elaborate, if it is possible to setup Encryption in Vista/XP of partition data?  And in so doing, will the data be protected under a Novo restore?
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-13, 14:22 PM
Boosted,
 
I don't believe that would offer the protection your looking for, because the NOVO button triggers a recovery that would overwrite C: irrespective of any windows based encryption.  I suppose if you used vista encryption on D: then the data might be protected.  I'd have to experiment with this to say for sure.
 
I think the surest way to protect would be to set either a power on password or the hard disk password because those are hardware level protections.   I don't know that you'd need both. 
 
I guess it's like adding more deadbolts to your front door.   The more you have, the more secure the door is, but the more effort is required to unlock all those locks each time you want to go in or out.   The locks are there - it's just up to the individual as to perhaps the right combination of them to balance security with accessibility and ease of use.
 
Just my 2 cents..
 
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-14, 0:27 AM


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This is great information Mark, thank you for uncovering the detail.
 
Now, if all of those options are too cumbersome for daily use. (snip..)


If passwords are too cumbersome for daily use, then you are not very serious about your security. It soon becomes a habit and you type your password without even thinking about it.
Just set the power on password and the hard drive password to the same thing and you only have one password to boot. As long as it is not too obvious you should be OK. Anything is better than nothing.
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-14, 15:36 PM
What are advances of VeryFace if the owner have to use password typing on every boot? Think passwording BIOS and HDD is not a solution. The NOVO buttons function must have a password protection, becouse it bothers to enter the password everytime I boot my machine. If this button doesn't have password protection its disadvantages are growing bigger than its advantages....
It is just my opinion, but I think there are a lot of people that agree with me.

And I have a question about veryface - can someone other log into system using the photo of notebook owner? Is there any mechanism for preventing such situiations?
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-14, 16:26 PM
shoguevara- I have to agree with you that password protecting the NOVO button is the next evolution in refining the system.
 
Regarding bootup passwords- Veriface is slow right now for me and sometimes non-functional when booting up or coming out of sleep.
 
The value for me with Veriface, isn't the initial putting in of the password at powerup/startup, it is not having to sit down and type in the password with every 5 minute lapse of inactivity.  That is so golden for me, and it works awesome, even with a baseball cap on, just make sure you look up into the camera at some point with your eyes and it'll get you.  My first registration didn't work so well, but the 2nd time has been a charm.
 
I love my Y510.  This is replacing an Compaq AMD, never again will I buy one of their machines.
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2008-03-14, 18:14 PM
Shoguevara, actually Lenovo engeneers agree with you. Even better - they have already everything done at the moment =) Read this.
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-16, 5:35 AM
I noticed that my computer was on with the fans on full blast in the laptop case with lid closed.  Is this a hardware/bios issue, or a Windows issue?  I don't understand why most Windows laptops are horrible with sleeping when the lid is closed.  I had a DELL which was the best Windows machine I've ever had when it comes to doing what it was supposed to when the lid was closed.  There was the occasional episode of not sleeping with the lid closed, but not often.
 
The Apple laptops are rock solid about going to sleep with the lid closed.  I know because my wife has one.  And they are rock solid when it comes to waking from sleep as well.  I've gone weeks without a reboot on Macs, but there's no way you could pull that off with a Windows machine.
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-17, 7:30 AM
I just wrote few days ago that passwording BIOS is not a solution - there must be passwoed protection of the lenove recovering utility. I don't think it would be very difficult for the programmists, I know that because I have a liitle programming experience and I can say that it won't make the utility much more bigger(a couple of Kb).
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-17, 11:44 AM
Well. What's the use of passwording the NOVA utility if there's a HDD password? It's a matter of two minutes to take the hard disk out of notebook , so your data is only protected if you use HDD password - all other features are not seriously taken for me about security. Having an HDD password prevents all kinds of security threatment to your data if notebook or  hard disk  is stolen, and Veriface can provide protection of your computer for the time you're having cup of  whiskey  coffee and leaving your powered on laptop insecured.
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-18, 8:04 AM
I mean that everyone who even know a little about lenovo notebooks(if I dont want to set pwd on my HDD) can get access my data even without using DVD-ROM or screwdriver. He just need to press only one button!!! I agree that windows password or veryface system doesn't provide totall protection, but unpassworded novo buttton increases risk of stoling my data.
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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-18, 12:07 PM
Sure he can! And even more! If you've got a notebook without NOVA button bad guys can access your system from one of those LiveCD's. So, the NOVA button isn't really a security threatment. If a man is wise enough he can find a way to steal your data in almoust any case. So use HDD password which alsa concerns NOVA function. And be safe. All other ways are just kid's plays. Except encryption =)


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Re: Shortcomings of the Y510

2008-03-18, 14:55 PM
skripatch, please read my previous message again! I wrote "without using a screwdriver and DVD-ROM". What LiveCd are you talking about!?(This is not a question - it is an exclamation!!!)


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