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Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-24, 17:54 PM
I was browsing through http://shop.lenovo.com and saw several laptops where one was forced to buy Microsoft products like XP or Vista. I hope that in future the customer has more choices to pick up his operating system when buying a new latop. I have now used Ubuntu for a while, I just love it...
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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-28, 13:30 PM

http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=Special_Interest_Linux&thread.id=43

 

There we find the solution...thats great news!

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-25, 0:18 AM

Lenovo does offer a choice.

 

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/special-offers.workflow:ShowPromo?LandingPage=/All/US/Landing_pages/Info/08/Linux

 

 

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-25, 2:22 AM

Lenovo offers different choices in different countries...in some of them, from what I've read on other forums, you can even get a partial refund for not using MS products...not that I have any way of proving this, since it certainly doesn't apply to U.S.

 

FWIW, a COA adds to the value of laptop when the time comes for re-selling it and moving on...most people still use Windows. 

 

Personally, I'd love to see the Windows key disappear, but I can't see that happening... 

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-25, 3:35 AM

wrote:

 

 

Personally, I'd love to see the Windows key disappear, but I can't see that happening... 


I have read that Microsoft forces manufacturers to have the Windows key. They have no choice in the issue.

 

Well, that is Microsoft for you!

 

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-25, 4:20 AM
Funny how they couldn't force IBM...
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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-25, 4:57 AM

I think I will try and sue Lenovo for having forced me to buy a Microsoft product (no other options where available at Europe)

Microsoft is like oil. The oil industry/society and car manufacturers are responsible why we don't electric cars or other available technology than oil. It is business. The oil engine have been made to break easy. It means cash for car makers and oil means one is continuosly forced to buy something and this means working/taxes= chains for people, keeping them under control. 

Electric car would last long and cheap to drive. This would be too rebellic.

Now Microsoft is a obstacle for development and there is no value in Microsoft other than oppression and other unnatural ways, it is new modern communism.

Microsoft emperor don't have clothes on!!

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-25, 6:42 AM

ibmfreak, welcome to the forum,

 


ibmfreak wrote:

I think I will try and sue Lenovo for having forced me to buy a Microsoft product

..snip..


Good luck, you wont win. As I see it; the consumer decides to buy a product as presented to them. If Ford didn't offer diesel powered vehichles and you wanted one, would you sue them untill they changed their policies?

What was that phrase? "You can have any colour you like as long as it's black".

 

Remember the rules; "It is acceptable to state concern for how a particular Lenovo policy, performance, or procedure does or does not meet the expectation of a particular member, but it is not acceptable ......"


ibmfreak wrote:

...snip... (no other options where available at Europe)
..snip...


That's not true, hows about this example?

 

Product: ThinkPad T61 6460-EBG [change]
Operating system: All [change]

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-26, 5:33 AM

On the Australian Lenovo site, I tried to check the T series ThinkPad notebooks that were preloaded with Linux.

The link from the T series specs page is a 404 error, and in addition to that, I am also unable to send in an error report as the links in both the 'Get assistance' section and the 'Report this problem' section both also generate 404 errors.

 

This is the link from the T series ThinkPad page in Australia that's supposed to list the T series ThinkPads preloaded with Linux

http://www-07.ibm.com/lenovoinfo/linux_preload/au/index.html 

 

Jenifur Charne 

 

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-26, 20:44 PM

Microsoft might force the Windows key on its partner manufacturers, but that's Microsoft's fall not Lenovo's. How wbout this, though:

 

 


Non-supported devices
(only some listed)
• Intel 4965AG, Intel 4965AGN,
ThinkPad 11a/b/g,
ThinkPad 11n wireless
• WWAN
• Active Protection System™
• ThinkVantage® button
• Security chip
• Intel Turbo Memory
• Intel AMT technology
• Integrated camera
Non-supported applications
(only some listed)
• ThinkPad Utilities
• ThinkVantage technologies
• Presentation Director
• Encrypted DVD playback
• Keyboard Customizer

 


Taken from tabook (see link), "ThinkPad® R61 14W 7733 (GMA) - Linux" description. I can't verify this personally, is this true?

 

 ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitute/psref/tabook.pdf

Sincerely

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Re: Purchase a laptop without Microsoft product?

2008-07-28, 3:21 AM

Most of this would make sense not working out of Windows environment, however:

 

a) Security chip is tied to BIOS, not to OS. I don't see an issue here.

b) ThinkPad 11abg does work at least in some Linux distros

c) Encrypted DVD playback may or may not work depending on the distro

d) Keyboard Customizer may or may not work depending on the distro

 

In all fairness, WWAN issue belongs to the wireless providers, and not to Lenovo or Linux developers...

 

My $0.02 only... 

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George




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